Any info on Gama/WheelsUp?
11-30-2016, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jland0413
What are First Officer minimums as of right now?
I've heard some pilots graduate college and instead of flight instructing they fly for Wheels Up King Airs. Is that true or is this a company that wants more experience?
I've heard some pilots graduate college and instead of flight instructing they fly for Wheels Up King Airs. Is that true or is this a company that wants more experience?
2,500 total time, 1,000 PIC, 1,000 Multi Engine, 500 Turbine.
Whoever told you that hour builders are coming here instead of flight instructing is jerking your gherkin!
12-01-2016, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Das Auto
The official First Officer minimums are:
2,500 total time, 1,000 PIC, 1,000 Multi Engine, 500 Turbine.
Whoever told you that hour builders are coming here instead of flight instructing is jerking your gherkin!
2,500 total time, 1,000 PIC, 1,000 Multi Engine, 500 Turbine.
Whoever told you that hour builders are coming here instead of flight instructing is jerking your gherkin!
12-01-2016, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
I promise I'm not trolling, and do not mean this as inflammatory, but I have always found the FO mins interesting... In reading a few other posts about "kissing the ring", lack of seniority list, 81k for CAs, etc. What makes someone sit right seat in a King Air with way more experience than required to sit right seat in an RJ - especially, at the moment at least, with the future 121 hiring outlook? I guess I can see more varied flying, etc, but at the end of the day most flying jobs become a bit monotonous - trading a terminal for an FBO. Respectfully asking out of pure curiosity, nothing more.
I ran into one of their "standards captains" the other day in the FP room at an FBO and he was pushing hard for me to come work for them. I don't know if he would get a referral bonus or if they are super short on staffing, seemed like a nice guy though.
I actually posed this question to him, why sit right seat in a small turboprop if you could sit right seat in a jet, for similar pay? He went into their benefits package etc, but yea, seems like high mins considering the state of the industry.
In any case I wouldn't be interested in trading the left seat of a 200 at over $500/day for the right seat of a 350 for $60/year or whatever they are paying.
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12-01-2016, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
What makes someone sit right seat in a King Air with way more experience than required to sit right seat in an RJ - especially, at the moment at least, with the future 121 hiring outlook?
Part 135 companies generally have higher minimums because they need pilots who already know the basics of operating a turbine powered aircraft for revenue. Ideally, they want someone who has worked at another 135 or 121 company before.
12-01-2016, 04:36 PM
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I find the F/O minimum requirements extremely high. It is far different flying than airline schedules though but none the less, I agree that with that amount of time I'd rather be flying right seat in a shiny new RJ.
They are a good operation though with some rough spots that will hopefully smooth out over time.
They are a good operation though with some rough spots that will hopefully smooth out over time.
12-01-2016, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger
I ran into one of their "standards captains" the other day in the FP room at an FBO and he was pushing hard for me to come work for them. I don't know if he would get a referral bonus or if they are super short on staffing, seemed like a nice guy though.
I actually posed this question to him, why sit right seat in a small turboprop if you could sit right seat in a jet, for similar pay? He went into their benefits package etc, but yea, seems like high mins considering the state of the industry.
In any case I wouldn't be interested in trading the left seat of a 200 at over $500/day for the right seat of a 350 for $60/year or whatever they are paying.
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I actually posed this question to him, why sit right seat in a small turboprop if you could sit right seat in a jet, for similar pay? He went into their benefits package etc, but yea, seems like high mins considering the state of the industry.
In any case I wouldn't be interested in trading the left seat of a 200 at over $500/day for the right seat of a 350 for $60/year or whatever they are paying.
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Can you imagine someone actually wanting to fly a King Air rather than an RJ if the pay were the same?
12-01-2016, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I know!
Can you imagine someone actually wanting to fly a King Air rather than an RJ if the pay were the same?
Can you imagine someone actually wanting to fly a King Air rather than an RJ if the pay were the same?
12-03-2016, 06:46 AM
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I think WU/Gama is a great opportunity considering the growth. The planned growth in membership will require many more pilots. That said, with regionals like PSA, Envoy and Piedmont offering $60K to start in the right seat as well as a legacy airline flow, Gama's starting salary and benefits seem less compelling. 121 flying isn't for everyone, but it certainly is a lot more attractive these days if you can find a pilot base location that works.
Bottom line: if WU/Gama wants to attract and retain pilots, compensation will have to increase to achieve its own growth targets...
Bottom line: if WU/Gama wants to attract and retain pilots, compensation will have to increase to achieve its own growth targets...
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