Helping degrade our profession
08-21-2010, 05:26 PM
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Helping degrade our profession
This guy constantly asks for commercial pilots with airline privelages to take ferry flights for expenses only. This ****es me off to no end cause I feel a pilot should be paid no less then $250 per day plus for flying , Regardless .
Guys that take these flights are helping to keep all of us from getting paid what we are worth.
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Guys that take these flights are helping to keep all of us from getting paid what we are worth.
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Last edited by TonyWilliams; 08-23-2010 at 10:52 AM.
08-21-2010, 06:00 PM
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I'm not sure what you're so up in arms about. He gets paid his fee for finding the pilot ($100-125) and then the pilot charges their fee. It appears to me that he states that most pilots charge a minimum of $250 and the rate appears to be up to them.
Personally I wouldn't take less than $350/day plus expenses but thats just me. If I'm flying something special or someplace tricky I'm obviously going to charger more for that but this looks to me like he's just acting as a ferry pilot broker.
Personally I wouldn't take less than $350/day plus expenses but thats just me. If I'm flying something special or someplace tricky I'm obviously going to charger more for that but this looks to me like he's just acting as a ferry pilot broker.
08-21-2010, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by esa17
I'm not sure what you're so up in arms about. He gets paid his fee for finding the pilot ($100-125) and then the pilot charges their fee. It appears to me that he states that most pilots charge a minimum of $250 and the rate appears to be up to them.
Personally I wouldn't take less than $350/day plus expenses but thats just me. If I'm flying something special or someplace tricky I'm obviously going to charger more for that but this looks to me like he's just acting as a ferry pilot broker.
Personally I wouldn't take less than $350/day plus expenses but thats just me. If I'm flying something special or someplace tricky I'm obviously going to charger more for that but this looks to me like he's just acting as a ferry pilot broker.
08-21-2010, 07:09 PM
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I know the person who runs the website and have worked with him before. He is nothing more than a middle man. The clients are the ones who set the price. It is a bad economy and everyone wants to cut costs, so when someone wants their plane moved and they are presented with the option to request someone with airline privileges who also wants to do it for free, they will.
Whenever I see the posts asking for a pilot with airline privileges who need to build time, I just laugh. Do they really think that there is an airline pilot looking to fly a Cessna across the country for free?
The requests you see on that site are nothing more than requests from uneducated clients. He gets a lot of responses from 250 wet commercials with no airline privileges willing to do it for free. The problem is the insurance companies will not let a 250 hour pilot with zero time in make fly their clients Mooney. Weeks go by and the clients eventually get desperate and finally agree to pay for a pilot that their insurance company will cover.
Whenever I see the posts asking for a pilot with airline privileges who need to build time, I just laugh. Do they really think that there is an airline pilot looking to fly a Cessna across the country for free?
The requests you see on that site are nothing more than requests from uneducated clients. He gets a lot of responses from 250 wet commercials with no airline privileges willing to do it for free. The problem is the insurance companies will not let a 250 hour pilot with zero time in make fly their clients Mooney. Weeks go by and the clients eventually get desperate and finally agree to pay for a pilot that their insurance company will cover.
08-23-2010, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by supersix-4
Bottom line is this..He is facilitating by posting the free flights Rather then telling the clients nobody should be doing this for free.
08-23-2010, 06:47 AM
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I get calls from owners looking to have they're aircraft ferried every day. Over half the flights I cant do because of scheduling issues or because they want a 152 flown to azzcrackistan or some remote pacific island. I used to send my overflow flights to him, but since he started posting these free "time builder" ferrys I have stopped. plus he never reciprocated.
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