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Ziggy 08-23-2011 10:55 AM

I would just recommend keeping track of your King Air time separately. You could potentially use that experience to get a King Air job down the road.

freeze3192 08-23-2011 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk (Post 1041191)
Not a kingair but i did it in a citation (single pilot ac) in order to be legal to fly international.

None of Citation 500 series airplanes were certified single pilot. All were certified with a minimum of 2 crew.

A waiver to the 2 crew limitation to operate single pilot can be granted if you do the correct training and pass two separate checkrides.

The Citation CJ series airplanes were certified with a minimum of 1 crew.

Yabadaba 08-24-2011 11:51 AM

Does the PICs type require a Copilot? About half the typed pilots I have flown the 350 with don't have a single pilot type. Single pilot types cost more money and is something else you may fail. Some pilots refuse them so their employers don't have the option of laying off the copilot. If your required by his license you can log SIC. If not, the ATP must sign your logbook as dual given as previously stated.

conquestdz 08-24-2011 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by freeze3192 (Post 1043165)
None of Citation 500 series airplanes were certified single pilot. All were certified with a minimum of 2 crew.

A waiver to the 2 crew limitation to operate single pilot can be granted if you do the correct training and pass two separate checkrides.

The Citation CJ series airplanes were certified with a minimum of 1 crew.

What about the 501 and 551? Both are single pilot and require a 500 type rating.

conquestdz 08-24-2011 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 1040863)
Sorry, but no. An ATP can only instruct when under the training program of a Part 121, 135, or 142 certificate holder.

An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.

Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.

With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.

However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.

Can you quote a reg for this? I have given SIC endorsements in the 500, and discussed it with a FSDO type rating examiner. There have been no problems with anyone's SIC type rating. This was all pt 91. I would like to see some reg that says it can only be 121/135.

conquestdz 08-24-2011 02:23 PM

In addition, I received all of my training for the type rating from another ATP, then did the check ride at the FSDO in the plane. All of this was pt 91, not under a training program, and signed off on by the FAA, not an independent pilot examiner.

Yabadaba 08-24-2011 06:53 PM

If the PIC is an MEI... the ATP really doesn't matter.

Like a previous poster said... it is good to log it for another King Air job but I would be careful using it elsewhere. I wouldn't hire someone who used 100 hours of dual received with a hokey explanation to beef up their resume.

loopu2 09-08-2011 12:07 PM

My original type in the 350 required an SIC, a year later and another checkride I had the restriction removed. I had the choice of doing a single pilot type or with a copilot, I felt the type ride would be easier, the first time, with a copilot. The company I am at now, we all are single pilot typed, but always fly with two pilots. I don't think our time is legally loggable in our case. I don't think any of us are MEI's, being part 91, no ops specs to require it.

Cruz5350 09-08-2011 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by loopu2 (Post 1051313)
My original type in the 350 required an SIC, a year later and another checkride I had the restriction removed. I had the choice of doing a single pilot type or with a copilot, I felt the type ride would be easier, the first time, with a copilot. The company I am at now, we all are single pilot typed, but always fly with two pilots. I don't think our time is legally loggable in our case. I don't think any of us are MEI's, being part 91, no ops specs to require it.

If the original type ride required you to have an SIC what are the requirements of the SIC? 61.55 cover it?


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