ATP King Air 350 Dual Given
08-18-2011, 06:55 PM
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ATP King Air 350 Dual Given
Hey guys, friendly question. Can't find a clear answer under the regs. I'm a CFI CFII MEI with a new opportunity right seat in a BE350 with a MEI ATP. I have a High Altitude, High Perf, Complex endorsements. What time, dual given, SIC anything may be logged? This is a part 91 operation. I am going to be given instruction on emergency ops, single engine and take offs and landings. Please inform the uninformed. Thanks
08-18-2011, 07:38 PM
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If the ATP you're flying with agrees, he can give you instruction on each flight in the airplane and you can log it as dual received. That's your only logging option until you get a type rating in the 350. An SIC is not required for your operation, so can't log SIC; until you have a type, you can't be PIC, so that eliminates PIC and dual given.
08-19-2011, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dtoTUL
yes, it would be total time and dual received if the ATP your flying with signs your book each time - just like when you were doing initial flight training before you had a ASEL or AMEL in each class of airplane.
An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.
Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.
With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.
However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.
08-19-2011, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Sorry, but no. An ATP can only instruct when under the training program of a Part 121, 135, or 142 certificate holder.
An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.
Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.
With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.
However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.
An ATP rated pilot can give instruction in “air transportation service”.
Part 1.1 defines Air Transportation as “interstate, overseas, or foreign air transportation or the transportation of mail by aircraft”.
With that said, an ATP rated pilot can give instruction in Part 121 and Part 135 operations but not part 91 operations. The instruction can be in any aircraft on the certificate holders list; it doesn’t have to be just aircraft requiring a type rating.
However, you're going to ignore this fact and log it any ways. So, disregard and press on.
08-19-2011, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
The OP stated that the ATP had his MEI. So yes, he could log dual received under part 91. As to how it would look in an interview to show up with several hundred hours of dual given in this situation, that's a different matter.
08-19-2011, 04:40 PM
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Take the time and go to the FSDO and get an SIC type when your training is done. Its free and you just have to show the training records along with an 8710. The FAA may not require it but many ICAO countries do.
08-19-2011, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk
Take the time and go to the FSDO and get an SIC type when your training is done. ... The FAA may not require it but many ICAO countries do.
I'd love to see anyone with a King Air type with an SIC limitation on it if you know of one.
08-20-2011, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DirectTo:1041119
Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk
Take the time and go to the FSDO and get an SIC type when your training is done. ... The FAA may not require it but many ICAO countries do.
I'd love to see anyone with a King Air type with an SIC limitation on it if you know of one.
Not a kingair but i did it in a citation (single pilot ac) in order to be legal to fly international.
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