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Old 06-23-2012 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I never cheated but know others who have to their great advantage. I too sleep at night but also can not deny that those who did cheat were able to reach their goals. Really if you are a low timer with few options you do not have a career to loose anyway. The risk is low. Lie and get a job. Don't lie and watch the rest of the world pass you by.

I had one student who lied about having a commercial instrument to a regional airline. He was given a class date and had one month to finish his commercial instrument and multi-engine. He did it and went on to have a glorious career.

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This could be said for cheating in school and getting a better chance at scholarships. Is this the attitude you are passing onto your children too?

If you continued to instruct this student who you knew was lying then you are obviously part of the problem and your actions are shameless.

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Old 06-23-2012 | 07:30 AM
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The cheating to get ahead attitude is prevalent with high school students today (based on think tank surveys). In fact I believe that stat shows 60% will lie, cheat, steal to advance.

The question is, when some of those individuals get into high risk industries (aviation, medical, nuclear, refinery) how will that attitude influence adherence to SOPs, regulations, etc. Aviation safety advocate Tony Kern discussed this a few months ago at a presentation at the NTSB academy in VA, as well as adresses it in his book Blue Threat. Tony believes we're going to start seeing a rapid spike in accidents across the board.
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Old 06-23-2012 | 07:54 AM
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Do you guys think that the 1500hr rule will increase pay at the regionals? Scarcity of resources should increase the cost of that resource.

Could be a good rule, no?
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Old 06-23-2012 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mikearuba
Do you guys think that the 1500hr rule will increase pay at the regionals? Scarcity of resources should increase the cost of that resource.

Could be a good rule, no?




Lol, negative
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Old 06-23-2012 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Move to Texas? There again give up your personal life and have a career. Even so there are fewer and fewer student pilots every year. Eventually the regionals will start a cadet program of some kind.

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What I am saying is that people will give up most anything for aviation. Give up your friends and family for job. I get it. Hell I did it and it stank. The reference to Texas was that it is far from my home. Move a Texan up here and you would get the same reaction.

The point: Flight instructing jobs are drying up nationwide unless you are willing to move and work for a factory school. The mom and pop home town flight school is not going to cut it much longer.

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So, you want a great paying job, at one particular airline, never have to move, and keep your friends and family. Is there anything else I missed?

Every job has drawbacks. Garbageman: no special training, decent pay, work in your hometown, but come home stinking. Doctor: great pay, Tons of training, and very little social life. Pro football player: workout all the time, study playbooks the size of encyclopedias, make lots of money, gone every other weekend during the season, and be washed up at 40.


On a side note about Texas. We got this big yeller thing up yonder in the sky. We'uns call it "The Sun." Its warm, makes the plants grow, and shorely beats continuous drizzle.
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Old 06-23-2012 | 01:38 PM
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I think a Cadet Program would be a great idea.
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Old 06-23-2012 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I went through hell for 20 years as a pilot. Most of my friends and peers were (and are still) put through the meat grinder of aviation to little personal benefit. Your advice is to lay down and take it?

I prefer to invest myself in places where my efforts have a better chance of producing a return. I am irrational that way.

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May your heart find the strength to move on.
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Old 06-24-2012 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jvr553
May your heart find the strength to move on.

+1

Please move on.
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Old 06-25-2012 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
The cheating to get ahead attitude is prevalent with high school students today (based on think tank surveys). In fact I believe that stat shows 60% will lie, cheat, steal to advance.

The question is, when some of those individuals get into high risk industries (aviation, medical, nuclear, refinery) how will that attitude influence adherence to SOPs, regulations, etc. Aviation safety advocate Tony Kern discussed this a few months ago at a presentation at the NTSB academy in VA, as well as adresses it in his book Blue Threat. Tony believes we're going to start seeing a rapid spike in accidents across the board.
Your, You're
Lose, Loose
Their, There, They're

We see pilots on these boards who got through high school and college without knowing the difference, without learning. How can one graduate 8th grade, much less high school or college in such a state of ignorance?

Or does it just not matter as long as wants are satisfied?

Whether by hook or by crook, these people have a sheepskin that says they are educated.

What else have they failed to learn? Basic aerodynamics?

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2007/AAR0701.pdf

Perhaps this was an early data point in the rapid spike?
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Old 06-26-2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Baxter
Your, You're
Lose, Loose
Their, There, They're
Total thread drift but:
Then vs. than
Effect vs. Affect (ok, I've screwed this one up I admit)
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