Originally Posted by Duffman

There are a few things I disagree with here.

1) we can't just up and leave without significant consequences (lateral career progression on interviews, losing seniority, etc), and the company knows that. Most of us came here during a different time where we worked harder than our peers in exchange for a guaranteed job at the majors after a 5 year stint. Right now, we work harder in exchange for nothing special. I don't count a $30k bonus with a 3 year commitment, after upgrade, at the beginning of the largest non-military hiring binge in history as 'special.' Same for the flow bonuses, especially if you passed up other opportunities.

2) The company won't pay us more or increase quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts; they'll do it when supply/demand makes it necessary in order to keep the airline staffed (either recruitment or retention). It's pretty much impossible for a 1,500 hour CFI to understand how the contract will affect their lives on the line. All they understand is hourly pay rate and bonuses. By pointing out the issues, it educates pilots who are being recruited, and if it's a bad deal, they won't take it, which will hopefully lead to meaningful changes to our pay and quality of life to entice people to come here (or stay instead of bolting to LCCs). It's not like PDT is struggling to remain profitable, it's that PDT is always trying to find ways to reduce costs and now they're reluctant to adjust their expectations to increase costs to be on regional parity. It's not about sinking the boat we're on. It's the opposite. It's about bringing attention to issues that are fixable. That's the problem with "if it ain't broke, why fix it." By the time things break, they're usually much more costly and difficult to fix.

Originally Posted by peaches

When you are called in is there a breakdown of the length of the trip? One of my buddies at another regional said that he can get called out on a four day but he typically gets turns or a two day then back to reserve.


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Originally Posted by send a check

That is a nice post and you did not accuse me of lying or stabbing people in the back.

I also think what you wrote is accurate, objective and all true!!

Originally Posted by send a check

I guess most of you guys would rather warn everyone else then get out in 33% less time then it could take. Six flows per month is 72 and nine flows per month is 108. Why be here 5 years when you can be here 7.5. (Sarcasm)

Originally Posted by sanicom3205

What’s the alternative to what you said above? You criticized people for telling the truth about this place because it increases flow time. There’s no other read of what you said

Originally Posted by send a check

The alternate would be to tell the truth and not complain to the extent that it sounds like we get beat during quick turns. But if folks want to vent about our substandard schedules then they are free to do so. I’m free to vent about them venting!!

As long a the moderators don’t mind you are free to say what you like!!

Like when you told Route66 to GTFO!! That’s your prerogative to say that and then bounce over here and accuse me of lying and stabbing people in the back.

OR like when you stated to the Republic guy that you were at a major and he wasn’t.

Whatever makes you happy!!

Originally Posted by peaches

What is reserve in PHL for a new hire like? How often are you called out, how many overnights per month, breakdown of different types of reserve?

Oh and I live in Philly so will not be commuting.


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Originally Posted by Duffman

The company won't pay us more or increase quality of life out of the goodness of their hearts; they'll do it when supply/demand makes it necessary in order to keep the airline staffed (either recruitment or retention). It's pretty much impossible for a 1,500 hour CFI to understand how the contract will affect their lives on the line. All they understand is hourly pay rate and bonuses. By pointing out the issues, it educates pilots who are being recruited, and if it's a bad deal, they won't take it, which will hopefully lead to meaningful changes to our pay and quality of life to entice people to come here (or stay instead of bolting to LCCs). It's not like PDT is struggling to remain profitable, it's that PDT is always trying to find ways to reduce costs and now they're reluctant to adjust their expectations to increase costs to be on regional parity. It's not about sinking the boat we're on. It's the opposite. It's about bringing attention to issues that are fixable. That's the problem with "if it ain't broke, why fix it." By the time things break, they're usually much more costly and difficult to fix.

Originally Posted by CADR

^ This right here 100%.

The thing that terrifies me the most is that our Union leadership and senior pilots are going to be leaving within the next year or so. This is a critical time, especially when our pilot contract becomes amendable in 2023. PDT needs some major quality of life issues fixed and brought up to industry standard.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Attrition will drive your pilot group’s leverage.

Originally Posted by Lahey

fantastic insight, thanks for your enlightening post.