Goal: American...fly anywhere but Piedmont?
01-25-2018, 02:49 PM
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Goal: American...fly anywhere but Piedmont?
If a pilot sought a career with American as their destination/career airline, is Piedmont - as American's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
01-25-2018, 06:58 PM
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Right now we have captains making more money than some of the current population of mainline pilots. So that theory is flawed....
Regional airlines are going to contract and consolidate.... the regional airline business model was a necessity of the post 911 world. The great recession of 2008 allowed regional flying to flourish as the mainline carriers contracted and consolidated.
Now in the global society with emerging markets exploding, the regional airline model isn't making sense. There isn't much of a need for e145s or crj200s now. Many 50 seat routes are being served by larger aircraft with less flights...
Regional airlines are going to contract and consolidate.... the regional airline business model was a necessity of the post 911 world. The great recession of 2008 allowed regional flying to flourish as the mainline carriers contracted and consolidated.
Now in the global society with emerging markets exploding, the regional airline model isn't making sense. There isn't much of a need for e145s or crj200s now. Many 50 seat routes are being served by larger aircraft with less flights...
01-26-2018, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
If a pilot sought a career with American as their destination/career airline, is Piedmont - as American's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
01-27-2018, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Can't find any flaws in this argument. The regional airline with people getting a no-interview job at AA after about 5 years is the worst place to be, if you want to be an AA pilot... yep
Thanks to all for weighing in with thoughts/perspective.
01-27-2018, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
MantisToboggan, it's late so perhaps my overall SA/togetherness is getting me here, but are you saying that Piedmont is the worst place to be (given 5 year flow) with your tongue firmly lodging in check? Or genuinely agreeing with my original post/theory? For what it's worth, I won't be with a regional for roughly 18-24 months and I'll be in my early 40's at that point - will Piedmont's flow time to mainline likely increase or decrease by then?
Thanks to all for weighing in with thoughts/perspective.
Thanks to all for weighing in with thoughts/perspective.
01-28-2018, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot0987
You have started multiple threads about this with different company names. I think one would give you all the advice you need.
01-30-2018, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
MantisToboggan, it's late so perhaps my overall SA/togetherness is getting me here, but are you saying that Piedmont is the worst place to be (given 5 year flow) with your tongue firmly lodging in check? Or genuinely agreeing with my original post/theory? For what it's worth, I won't be with a regional for roughly 18-24 months and I'll be in my early 40's at that point - will Piedmont's flow time to mainline likely increase or decrease by then?
Thanks to all for weighing in with thoughts/perspective.
Thanks to all for weighing in with thoughts/perspective.
Look at the class breakdown at AA, and you'll answer your own questions
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