Adanac

You don’t come off convincing what-so-ever. Only out of touch and bitter that you’re not mainline.

I have flown with several “legacy children” who have had parents fly at their airline and I have yet to experience someone I wouldn’t hire myself. They are people just like you and me, using every opportunity presented to them - some that are out of their control, might I add, like being born into a specific family for instance - to do something they love for a living.

If you’re waiting to be hired in order of “skill” or the idea that you deserve it more than the next, you may as well quit now. There’s no metric to determine this at all and if you think the flow answers that dilemma than I’d suggest you brush up on your history.

We don’t want “skill”, however you ambiguously judge that. We want people with a head on their shoulders who are open to learning, working hard, being kind to others, having fun on a 4 day trip, and staying out of the chief pilot’s office. The more experienced you get, the clearer that will become.

What we are NOT looking for, are people with your type of attitude.

I’m not defending this instagrammer’s actions... only pointing out that you’re equally as guilty for equally terrible logics.

sanicom3205

Hiring at AA is an interesting animal with many moving parts. Having a relative certainly helps but it’s also not the end-all-be-all some make it out to be. I have flown with captains at AA asking how to get hired, their kid has xyz qualifications and can’t get a call. My point is, it’s a jumping off point and certainly gives you a leg up but there must be more to the game, judging from these conversations. To add to the complexity, big changes were happening with the hiring process just prior to covid - it’s a moving target.

My point was not to start another pointless argument about hiring and nepotism, it was to show that AA knew exactly what he was and what he does online, and decided to hire him. They make very clear that it is a conditional job offer, so we’ll see where that goes. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it go either way. We all may think what he does sucks and is bad for the profession, but the people doing the hiring didn’t seem to care

Seneca Pilot

I see you added to your post.

Wow, now you know for a fact that his father paid his way? Why so much jealousy when you don't even know any facts?
I grew up hunting with a friend of the family who was worth at least forty or fifty million dollars. He didn't pay for his kids' college. Made them work to pay it. He didn't buy them cars either. They drove the same beaters the rest of us drove. Not all wealthy people coddle their kids. Maybe yes, maybe no.

I don't know Garrett so I will just keep my mouth shut about his qualifications. The video was in poor taste and shows bad judgement. That will weigh on his career going forward. Things have a way of taking care of themselves over time. How about we all worry about making ourselves the best we can be and leave others to do the same or make their mistakes and pay the price.

sanicom3205

I mean I’ve said bashing him isn’t the solution but.... you think he bought and pays to maintain that bonanza of his??? It’s pretty clear he received lots of help. I did too, the difference is I don’t give advice on how to succeed in this career path and brag about being a captain at 26 (yawn, btw) and act like I did it all on my own.

Tjeff

From anyone who knows me l, knows I obsessed with getting to AA and started having doubts because I didn’t have a mother or father. Every time I heard someone interviewed or got hired I would immediately reach out and get as much insight as possible how they got hired. Sooner or later in those conversations a mother or father would get brought up that worked/works for AA and that would immediately deflate my enthusiasm or positivity of “oh man maybe I’m close to getting the call”. But another thing that became apparent is just having the mother or father isn’t the key, obviously they still have to put in some serious work, have a clean resume for the most part etc. The striking part is the huge advantage having a mother or father has is the access available to either the kid or the parent currently working there. It’s much easier to have the parent talk to a recruiter or chief pilot. Much easier to get and email or a cover letter through. When I was doing everything I felt like I was just sticking my neck out every time. I didn’t have assurance this person would take well to me reaching out of the blue.

Just imagine trying to get a friend or a child hired at Piedmont, you know where the CPs are, who the recruiters are how easy it would be to try and set something else or push a name with no skin off your back you’re already on property. I get it Piedmont is a regional that needs pilots not AA but the concept is still the same. Most of the guys I talked to are great guys and will have great careers at AA. The point is the parent isn’t just the key it’s the ease of network it opens up.

edit: didn’t have a mother or father in aviation or any affiliation with aviation. I still have them and love them very much 😁

LAXtoDEN

Unfortunately it looks like you never read through the posts, just took my first post and made assumptions off a simple reply.

Someone made a statement about there being no difference from having a parent working at mainline vs not having a parent. Oh give me a break, of course you have a step up with having a parent working at mainline. Anything extra you’re taking from my statement is ridiculous.

Seneca Pilot

Apparently you didn't read carefully either. I didn't say having a parent didn't make it easier. I said we all use any resource we have and that makes us all the same. You said it yourself, if your father was a mainline captain you would use his letter. Makes you no different than Garrett or any other pilot using every advantage to get the job.

You seem to really have a chip on your shoulder. My honest and truly loving advice is to try to get rid of that. It will hold you back in life. If it comes through so easily here it also comes through in interviews and with coworkers.

Seneca Pilot

I honestly don't know if he bought it or not. I have heard of people making huge amounts of money from social media so he might have paid cash for the plane. I don't judge or resent or covet what anyone else has.

I mostly agree with you. I don't think he gets fired. Maybe the union will do something for bashing other pilots but he didn't criticize PDT or AA so not sure why they would fire him. I don't know the policies at PDT so there may be some language that opens that door. It will work itself out either way.

rickair7777

No. Your friends are your friends because you're a good person to work/play with. If you're weren't they wouldn't recommend you. That correlates loosely to being a good employee.

Family will go to bat regardless... that's why many companies and organizations have nepotism rules. I actually thought AA used to have a nepotism rule? Maybe it was another major.

Chunk

this is one of those sleeper posts that always make me thing the one who posted it knows something