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TrojanUSC 08-12-2009 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by StrikeTime (Post 660477)
My airline is better than your airline.

I make more than you.

My roommate makes less than me.

My pax are more comfortable than yours.

My airplane is better than yours.

You fly more mainline looking routes than me.

Equals => I’m just jealous and scared for my job.

Way to go off topic drama queens… keep it up because that’s exactly what management wants. What are you, 12?

This new airline legislation should contain a new ATP requirement... maturity.

Well said, It gets old listening to the same people cry about a couple bucks an hour when we are all grossly underpaid. It isn't like your making history raising the bar over there at Air Whiskey or whatever "better regional", if there is even such a thing, you are flying at. They are all crap and we all need to fight for better work rules and wages.

But keep raising the bar over there Air Wisconsin or PSA and pointing the finger, who knows maybe one day ill build up enough experience to get a job over there and then I can finally have a stable career type job that I feel comfortable retiring at.
:eek: <sarcasm if you didn't notice>

Aviatormar 08-12-2009 12:18 PM

Gee I hate to say it, but look at our contract, AWAC has brought the bar up. Our contract is better then most in the industry, mainline or regional. We do have guys who retire from whisky. It'd be nice to get the old one back, but whatever. As far as the company, they haven't released a single thing, they seem to pretty blindsided by this all too.

TrojanCMH 08-12-2009 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Aviatormar (Post 660571)
Gee I hate to say it, but look at our contract, AWAC has brought the bar up. Our contract is better then most in the industry, mainline or regional. We do have guys who retire from whisky. It'd be nice to get the old one back, but whatever. As far as the company, they haven't released a single thing, they seem to pretty blindsided by this all too.

Im sure its all roses and rainbows over at Air Whiskey but you should realize that pointing fingers at other airlines and arguing about which "regional" is better is pointless. RAH is in contract negotiations and once it is signed it will be better than Air Whiskeys, a couple years will go by and Air Whiskey will draft another one and it very well may be better and the cycle will continue. Its time to stop pointing fingers and start worryin about the problems in your own backyard. If we all took care of our own problems and stopped worrying about how this regional compares to that is when we can start making serious progress. Good luck to all the Airways carriers that will be affected by this. I don't think its gonna be good short term for anyone. If anything, in the long run it will bring more jobs back to mainline where they belong. :)

saab2000 08-12-2009 12:38 PM

I suspect the upper, upper management at AWAC knew about this for the past few days. But they still don't know enough to make a real statement about it.

I know I won't miss LGA!!!

But I can also say that I feel bad for anyone who loses in this deal and there are likely to be losers among the US Airways Express flyers.

meyers9163 08-12-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 660581)
If anything, in the long run it will bring more jobs back to mainline where they belong. :)


Ineed! And that at the end of the day is what we all should be happy about. Even if in the short term, our airline(s) get hosed over because of this. I highly doubt many of us got into the career thinking, "Man I'd really love to retire at RAH/AWAC/PDT/COLGAN."

StrikeTime 08-12-2009 12:48 PM

I hope the recent AWAC recalls don't get put back on the street because of this. I wish you gentlemen the best of luck.

meyers9163 08-12-2009 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by StrikeTime (Post 660592)
I hope the recent AWAC recalls don't get put back on the street because of this. I wish you gentlemen the best of luck.

I would hope AWAC would not do a knee jerk reaction like this. These reductions wont happen until Mid/late 2010. With that, I would think AWAC had a SLIGHT clue that this was going to happen. Rumors have been floating around for a long while.

johnso29 08-12-2009 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 660384)
Average FO at RW makes 36. A whole $2 less then a 2year+fo at AWAC. Same job, same responsibility. If you honestly feel a crj is more comfortable than a e-jet you are exactly the troll you portray yourself to be with comments like the one above.

Yes, but AWAC pilots fly nothing larger then CRJ-200's. The same CANNOT be said for RAH/SA pilots.

FlyinPiker 08-12-2009 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Aviatormar (Post 660571)
Gee I hate to say it, but look at our contract, AWAC has brought the bar up. Our contract is better then most in the industry, mainline or regional. We do have guys who retire from whisky. It'd be nice to get the old one back, but whatever. As far as the company, they haven't released a single thing, they seem to pretty blindsided by this all too.

As much respect as I have for the AWAC pilot group there are only 200 guys left on the property that were actually hired under the old contract. Everyone hired after AUG 2003 were hired under the current contract which is a concessionary one...no one fought for it, they fought against it.

For being a concessionary one it's pretty kick a.ss, but it amazes me how many relatively new people to the company talk about how "they brought the bar up".

Bullsh*t!

I will give you credit for choosing a company that had a quality contract at the time you were hired, but the credit goes to the guys that have been constantly getting sh*t on for the last 6 years.

The Amigos always land on their feet. Lets hope they keep the streak going. It's a great pilot group.

shamrok 08-13-2009 07:54 AM

This will hurt Colgan quite a bit also considering we have a good amount of flying into LGA. Not sure what they will do with the planes flying in there now. Boston is not an option and neither is DC. Looks like a reduction with the Saabs is in the future for Colgan. The Saabs are getting old anyways and a major AD is coming up. Guess we will all end up on the Q400 sooner than later. EWR, here I come.


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