Are Piedmont FO able to move to American
03-11-2015, 09:34 PM
#13
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Piedmont does demand a lot more from trainees because of the damn props and the failure complexities that surround it. V1 cuts nearly toss you out of the seat, speiially if the props dont feather. Jets with 'near' centerline thrust are a joke in comparison, really.
And, they demand a lot of the Captain upgrades, but do you really expect anything less?
I do love when washouts come here to blame their failures on others.
Indoc is 3 Days, you get tested on general FOM rules, and how to decide if an alternate is needed or how to use 3585. Everybody passes.
You have a weekend to study about 100 questions for the limitations exam that they give you in advance. How hard is that?
Then comes Systems Week, I could write a 5 page study guide for that. 80% generally pass, the rest usually get thru on a re-test.
Ground CPT consists of memorizing 2 10 items Immediate Action lists, and 1 3 step list. Oh, and how to assemble a Departure Briefing. Nobody Fails that.
Next are the Flows and callouts, if you cant do that, you should not be flying anything. You get about 4-5 chances to get it right.
The next 7 sim sessions will be demanding. But at the end of the day the Training department will give you as much as double the time to get it as you as you're actually trying.
The end of it is LOFTs, easy flying from a to b, just like the real world. You can even use the auto-pilot.
The Dash is not any harder to fly than that Seminole you got your ME rating on.
And, they demand a lot of the Captain upgrades, but do you really expect anything less?
I do love when washouts come here to blame their failures on others.
Indoc is 3 Days, you get tested on general FOM rules, and how to decide if an alternate is needed or how to use 3585. Everybody passes.
You have a weekend to study about 100 questions for the limitations exam that they give you in advance. How hard is that?
Then comes Systems Week, I could write a 5 page study guide for that. 80% generally pass, the rest usually get thru on a re-test.
Ground CPT consists of memorizing 2 10 items Immediate Action lists, and 1 3 step list. Oh, and how to assemble a Departure Briefing. Nobody Fails that.
Next are the Flows and callouts, if you cant do that, you should not be flying anything. You get about 4-5 chances to get it right.
The next 7 sim sessions will be demanding. But at the end of the day the Training department will give you as much as double the time to get it as you as you're actually trying.
The end of it is LOFTs, easy flying from a to b, just like the real world. You can even use the auto-pilot.
The Dash is not any harder to fly than that Seminole you got your ME rating on.
Last edited by NewPil0t; 03-11-2015 at 09:50 PM.
03-11-2015, 10:03 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 148
Originally Posted by Facebitten
There is a catch to this whole flow thing at Piedmont. Their training is the hardest in the regional industry because they only "hire the best pilots." There is about a 15-20 percent pass rate. If you don't believe me feel free to apply. Let me know how you are doing after you are forced to memorize serial numbers of parts that even mechanics don't know, have to have memory items committed to heart on day 3 of indoc, an have to visualize any graph you can think of in your mind,not to mention the electrical system and the sim instructors screaming at you at the top of their lungs while throwing clip boards at you. Don't worry though you will sure have earned your 10 plus year flow to american while 3 civilian pilots i know already got hired after having only 6 thousand hours total time. 
03-11-2015, 10:14 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by Facebitten
Were you part of that 15% ?
Nope. Troll....
Nope. Troll....
This is like APC comedic history.
03-11-2015, 11:45 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by Facebitten
There is a catch to this whole flow thing at Piedmont. Their training is the hardest in the regional industry because they only "hire the best pilots." There is about a 15-20 percent pass rate. If you don't believe me feel free to apply. Let me know how you are doing after you are forced to memorize serial numbers of parts that even mechanics don't know, have to have memory items committed to heart on day 3 of indoc, an have to visualize any graph you can think of in your mind,not to mention the electrical system and the sim instructors screaming at you at the top of their lungs while throwing clip boards at you. Don't worry though you will sure have earned your 10 plus year flow to american while 3 civilian pilots i know already got hired after having only 6 thousand hours total time.
Last edited by billyho; 03-12-2015 at 12:12 AM.
03-12-2015, 05:58 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: DHC8
Posts: 151
Originally Posted by billyho
Last class of 15 newhires I heard only 4 made it.
And thanks Goodness they weed them out. Flying with those guys that barely get through can be a challenge at times.
And thanks Goodness they weed them out. Flying with those guys that barely get through can be a challenge at times.
17 went in and everybody finished ground.
7 of them started Sims over the last 3 weeks, nobody has been sent home, but a few of the captain upgrades have.
03-12-2015, 08:14 AM
#19
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Posts: 601
Originally Posted by NewPil0t
V1 cuts nearly toss you out of the seat, speiially if the props dont feather. Jets with 'near' centerline thrust are a joke in comparison, really.
The biggest difference from a sim training standpoint is automation use. The Dash doesn't have any, and that's what gets people. If directional control is a problem in Dash training, it will be a problem in jet training as well.
03-12-2015, 09:30 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
The failure rate for initial training is around 10% Most new hires make it to the sim, unless they leave for other reasons. The data is available from the AQP program. Recurrent training runs a 2-3% failure rate, with a handful more joining the "Special Track" for marginal performance. There is a lot of hype about PDT, that simply isn't true. Study regularly, embrace self-improvement, and be humble. That seems to be a successful formula for most.
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