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JohnBurke 06-21-2018 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Troymh (Post 2618822)
In case you haven't heard of it, it's in Turkey, which is in the Middle East. And the A-10 is an airplane. We were also allowed Ritalin back then. I wasn't on Prozac but I think some guys were. And who cares. You probably haven't experienced any emotional issues from your flying career and that's great. Suggestion: don't judge.

I've heard of it. I've flown there. Quite a bit. You haven't.

You never flew professionally, nor for the USAF, nor do your comments reflect anything but poor judgement, argumentativeness, defensiveness, and an antiauthoritarian attitude. You've expressed an intent to commit a crime, and done so on a public forum. You continue to quote yourself, which of its own accord is odd.

You're what's referred to as a "troll," and as such merit nothing further than assignment to the "ignore" list.

https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-pl...ots-115099111/

https://pilot-protection-services.ao.../03/depression

The flowcharts and counsel below address the matter clearly:

http://pilotdr.com/depression_all.pdf

Troymh 06-21-2018 10:57 AM

I didn't look at links before responding.
 

Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2618895)
I've heard of it. I've flown there. Quite a bit. You haven't.

You never flew professionally, nor for the USAF, nor do your comments reflect anything but poor judgement, argumentativeness, defensiveness, and an antiauthoritarian attitude. You've expressed an intent to commit a crime, and done so on a public forum. You continue to quote yourself, which of its own accord is odd.

You're what's referred to as a "troll," and as such merit nothing further than assignment to the "ignore" list.

https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-pl...ots-115099111/

https://pilot-protection-services.ao.../03/depression

The flowcharts and counsel below address the matter clearly:

http://pilotdr.com/depression_all.pdf

Seriously, I asked an honest question. Read before attacking please. I've explained what is required for me to go through for a prescription I took years ago. As you know, the industry is much different than it used to be, and I've been thinking about getting back into it. I've gone back and forth with the FAA and their bureaucracy and I'm assuming you never have. Excuse me for wondering out loud if I wouldn't have to deal with it again for the next 6 months. And FU for questioning previous AF experience. It's not relevant to the conversation but I'm assuming you knew it would get my blood boiling. Stop being so miserable...life's too short. I understand, my mom's basement sucks also 😎https://www.hookedonphonics.com/learn-to-read-app-2/

rickair7777 06-21-2018 01:35 PM

Long sigh....

OP: No, do not lie on the medical form, most especially for anything which is documented in federal records. Most, most especially for something previously documented with the FAA. Federal prison time is at stake.

Good news... if you're off meds, and have recovered you can fly, just have to jump through a few hoops. Don't have to wait any abitrary time period if you've been well for a while, just have to do the paperwork and whatever evaluation they may want you to get.

Bad news... if you have a mental health diagnosis with the VA, that's a problem. Typically the advocates who help vets apply for VA benefits seek to maximize the disability rating, but that can backfire if you want to fly as a civilian if the condition is disqualifying. If the VA is giving you a percentage (other than zero as a placeholder), then you're probably going to need to get that diagnosis resolved before you go to the FAA. I'm pretty sure that you cannot have a rating for anxiety, depression, or most PTSD and then claim clean mental health for the FAA. Note that you can have ratings for things like bad knees, bad back, hearing loss, etc and many airline pilots do. Just not things which are disqualifying in and of themselves.

Troymh 06-21-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2619033)
Long sigh....

OP: No, do not lie on the medical form, most especially for anything which is documented in federal records. Most, most especially for something previously documented with the FAA. Federal prison time is at stake.

Good news... if you're off meds, and have recovered you can fly, just have to jump through a few hoops. Don't have to wait any abitrary time period if you've been well for a while, just have to do the paperwork and whatever evaluation they may want you to get.

Bad news... if you have a mental health diagnosis with the VA, that's a problem. Typically the advocates who help vets apply for VA benefits seek to maximize the disability rating, but that can backfire if you want to fly as a civilian if the condition is disqualifying. If the VA is giving you a percentage (other than zero as a placeholder), then you're probably going to need to get that diagnosis resolved before you go to the FAA. I'm pretty sure that you cannot have a rating for anxiety, depression, or most PTSD and then claim clean mental health for the FAA. Note that you can have ratings for things like bad knees, bad back, hearing loss, etc and many airline pilots do. Just not things which are disqualifying in and of themselves.

Thank you.

Whale Driver 06-24-2018 07:11 AM

If you want to fly, your best and maybe only option is https://www.aviationmedicine.com/

This is basically ALPA Aeromedical. It is not going to be cheap, but they will get it done if you are no longer being treated.
The sole purpose of medexpress was to make the medical applicant complete the medical form without the input from a doctor. So as to get a more complete picture that can not be edited later, in other words to catch exactly what you are asking.

Troymh 06-24-2018 12:27 PM

Thank you
 
I really appreciate the information and the time you took to share it with me.

Pilot Muscle 06-24-2018 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Troymh (Post 2618537)
Thank you for the information. It's clear that deception would be crazy. I haven't taken Prozac in years but I have to find a shrink to say I don't need it, then wait 6 months and somehow prove I haven't used it...go figure. They have all my VA records which contain PTSD stuff so I was hoping to avoid it coming up again. Think I'll keep my feet on the ground. Guess I've flown and seen enough. Thanks again.

As an AF employee myself, I'm wondering how you got your class 1 medical in the first place with a history of PTSD?

Troymh 06-24-2018 08:53 PM

PTSD diagnosed 10 years after civ flying. Seems to be the catch-all diagnosis... I went through a divorce! Nothing military related but I use VA. I should have never disclosed a short-term prescription on my medical because, real world, it didn't matter. Personally, I'd rather fly with someone on Prozac than listen to him whine about his divorce for 2 hours.

atpwannabe 06-25-2018 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Troymh (Post 2618375)
I failed a first-class med 4 years ago for being on Prozac. Fought it for a year and gave up. Fast forward, I want to fly professionally again. I'm honestly planning on being dishonest with the FAA on the medical history form. I learned 4 years ago that honesty can throw you into a bureaucratic-black-hole. Does anybody know if they'll look at past FAA exams?

Troymh:

Whatever you do...be honest! Take it from someone that knows. Don't shoot yourself in the foot! You'll regret it later.


atp

BarrySeal 06-25-2018 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Troymh (Post 2618375)
I failed a first-class med 4 years ago for being on Prozac. Fought it for a year and gave up. Fast forward, I want to fly professionally again. I'm honestly planning on being dishonest with the FAA on the medical history form. I learned 4 years ago that honesty can throw you into a bureaucratic-black-hole. Does anybody know if they'll look at past FAA exams?


Purposely mislead and Lie on an FAA document or logbook and they can, and most likely, will, revoke all certificates.


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