Past depression history...chances?
10-05-2022, 06:45 PM
#51
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GIVE THIS A TRY, Please.
Originally Posted by sealandair
Thanks. AMAS... that's a newer service I've heard about but not familiar with, and if I hear good things, maybe try them. Doesn't AOPA have something too? Re AMEs... yeah I will definitely seek out a HIMS one. While mine isn't technically a HIMS case, they'd at least be lots more familiar with what the FAA will want, and about SIs in general.
10-09-2022, 09:23 PM
#52
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I also suggest AMAS. I worked with them a LOT since I flew with Type 2 diabetes for 12 years. They do talk to FAA Doctors at least once a week and bring up cases. I always got a call back from the Doc within an hour or two of contacting them.
Originally Posted by screamin jet
Please call AMAS in Colorado, at (303) 341-4435. Generally they cater to ALPA pilots paying dues members. Leave a voice mail if necessary. Surely someone (a AMAS doctor) will call you back and then you can explain your situation as you have here. Their doctors also have a great rapport with the Okla. City FAA doctors and they do talk to one another. A lot. Please give it a try. I've had so much good experiences over several years in my flying career, but NOT your specific situation. I wish you the best and for Pete's sake, DO NOT GIVE UP, or listen to the naysayers!
10-11-2022, 12:34 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
That's correct. But the topic is highly personal and a vulnerability to safe practice many don't want to see publicized. HIMS returns somewhere north of 100 medicals to pilots in the program each year. Depression is a widely accepted, primary driver of substance use. As is severe anxiety, ADHD, fallout from abusive relationships, chronic chemical effects of rising tolerance or early addiction. There are more obviously, combinations, variants within category. Nobody here really disputes the treatment/enforcement terms, IMO. Just another (safety sensitive employee) take it or leave it to accept and steer the fook clear of.
10-11-2022, 01:54 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by CFI2766
Sealandair,
Don’t let some of these other hotheads get to you. Some proclaim themselves as know-it-alls and feel they need to act condescending as if they are somehow a higher being. They forget this forum is for helping others, not condemning those seeking help for their own amusement. Unfortunately there are plenty of these types in this career, the trick is to not GAF, ignore or say, “ok boomer”.
Btw I think you will be fine and if they need more info for your certification they will tell you. It may take some time but stick to it. Best luck
Don’t let some of these other hotheads get to you. Some proclaim themselves as know-it-alls and feel they need to act condescending as if they are somehow a higher being. They forget this forum is for helping others, not condemning those seeking help for their own amusement. Unfortunately there are plenty of these types in this career, the trick is to not GAF, ignore or say, “ok boomer”.
Btw I think you will be fine and if they need more info for your certification they will tell you. It may take some time but stick to it. Best luck
Thank you again for your kindness and support. You’re the kind I look forward to flying with!
10-12-2022, 08:48 AM
#55
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Originally Posted by sealandair
Thank you for this CFI, I appreciate your kindness and encouragement. Don’t worry… one thing I’ve never had a problem with is speaking my mind and sticking up for myself (you can probably tell, right?) I never was much of a target for bullies or intimidation trolls in my younger years, in fact I was the guy who’d stick up for the meek or the weak who did get harassed, and they usually never got harassed by the same person again. I’m not trying to sound macho here, but it is what it is. I’m just not afraid of people or their BS. Call it low neuroticism, call it fearlessness, call it whatever, but I’m glad I was built this way. I’m kind, courteous, and humble to those around me, UNTIL they decide it would be fun to try and jerk me around. So it ain’t gonna happen while getting to the flight deck again, or after I get there. I don’t care if Captain Kangaroo flew F22s for a decade and left as a decorated General… he won’t intimidate me either, and if he tries, he’ll regret it.
Captain Kangaroo and his type are mostly long gone from US 121 aviation, and the few that remain have learned to keep their heads way down.
But if you escalate a momentary friction point in the cockpit (it happens to the best of us, occasionally) you're the one who will lose nine times out of ten as an FO. If you're on probation you'll lose ten times out of ten. Capt kangaroo will still have a job, and you'll have no job and few 121 prospects after having been fired from an airline.
10-12-2022, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Objectively... be careful with that attitude. Sounds like you're already angry about something that doesn't really exist anymore.
Captain Kangaroo and his type are mostly long gone from US 121 aviation, and the few that remain have learned to keep their heads way down.
But if you escalate a momentary friction point in the cockpit (it happens to the best of us, occasionally) you're the one who will lose nine times out of ten as an FO. If you're on probation you'll lose ten times out of ten. Capt kangaroo will still have a job, and you'll have no job and few 121 prospects after having been fired from an airline.
Captain Kangaroo and his type are mostly long gone from US 121 aviation, and the few that remain have learned to keep their heads way down.
But if you escalate a momentary friction point in the cockpit (it happens to the best of us, occasionally) you're the one who will lose nine times out of ten as an FO. If you're on probation you'll lose ten times out of ten. Capt kangaroo will still have a job, and you'll have no job and few 121 prospects after having been fired from an airline.
^^^^^^THIS!^^^^
If you convince the FAA that you are bipolar rather than simply depressed you will REALLY be screwed:
Item 47. Psychiatric Conditions - Bipolar Disorder
Bipolar Disorders are considered on a continuum as part of a spectrum of disorders where there are significant alternations in mood. Generally, only one episode of manic or hypomanic behavior is necessary to make the diagnosis. Please note that cyclothymic disorder is part of this spectrum. Even if the bipolar disorder does not have accompanying symptoms that reach the level of psychosis, the disorder can be so disruptive of judgment and functioning (especially mania) as to pose a significant risk to aviation safety. Impaired judgment does occur even in the milder form of the disease.All applicants with a diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder must be denied or deferred.
10-12-2022, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Gee Mr. Rogers, what does Aeromedical say about SM bullies?
10-12-2022, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Warning about potential pitfalls ain’t the same as bullying. There are minefields out there that you do not want to step on.
Sealand guy/gal; if you know therapy, you know it's a very long shot here.
10-12-2022, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Don't doubt the sound intentions. The tone needs work. Leaders by example not force.
I don’t care if Captain Kangaroo flew F22s for a decade and left as a decorated General… he won’t intimidate me either, and if he tries, he’ll regret it.
It’s the OPs tone that needs work, not mine.
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