Question for AME regarding Marijuana and the medical
11-13-2008, 07:01 PM
#11
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Everybody go read the original post again!
The guy is an occasional smoker and a RECREATIONAL pilot...he said he's not a career guy. (if he was, I would have burned him to the ground too).
The guy is an occasional smoker and a RECREATIONAL pilot...he said he's not a career guy. (if he was, I would have burned him to the ground too).
And for my .02 I do not care if he is just a 3rd class medical seeking C-172 weekend warrior. He is a joke to come on here asking about this.
So now what Rick?
11-14-2008, 06:18 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
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I believe the urine test also screens for diabetes. Side note...marijuana has harmful effects and is not some miracle plant...I am sure you know that but I dont like it when people put out the perception that it is no big deal and it can not hurt you. If you really want to be safe maybe you could buy your own screen tests...it may be expensive as hell but that way you could screen yourself everyday before going into work...I do not condone your actions but at least you would know for a fact if you were risking not only yourself but others around you.
11-14-2008, 08:40 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by The Juice
You read the post again. What kind of RECREATIONAL pilot needs a First class medical, as this is what he was inquiring about. As we all know, 1st Class meds are for commercial operations.
And for my .02 I do not care if he is just a 3rd class medical seeking C-172 weekend warrior. He is a joke to come on here asking about this.
So now what Rick?
And for my .02 I do not care if he is just a 3rd class medical seeking C-172 weekend warrior. He is a joke to come on here asking about this.
So now what Rick?
Can you even read at all? Like I said the first time, go READ the original post.
1) He said he is not interested in commercial flying.
2) A first class medical and/or advanced certificates and ratings will often get a GA owner a big insurance break...the guy didn't say, but that would be my guess.
3) He said he will re-evaluate his situation if he decides to go commercial...maybe he wants to see if he can hold a first class before he makes that decision.
4) He obviously knows that most commercial jobs require mandatory drug screening...and weed is the easiest drug to detect, and it stays in your system longer than anything else. I don't think he has illusions about being a pot-smoking airline pilot
I'm about as straight-arrow as they come, with decades of military service (and still counting)...but trashing on this guy is ridiculous. In some states, it's actually legal to use the stuff for medicinal purposes.
He asked a question. Feel free to answer the guy, but no need to get too judgemental. BTW, have you seen some of the clowns in the GA world? Go hang out at your local patch some Sunday afternoon...drunks, prescription druggies, senile geriatrics, etc...
11-14-2008, 08:56 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
????????
Can you even read at all? Like I said the first time, go READ the original post.
1) He said he is not interested in commercial flying.
Can you even read at all? Like I said the first time, go READ the original post.
1) He said he is not interested in commercial flying.
He did not say he was not "interested in commercial flying" his exact words.... " I understand that many flight jobs require testing, this does not affect me currently or in the foreseeable future. If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate my decisions."
You read this and assume he does not fly commercially. Just as he tries to rationalize his use he may, just may, be trying to rationalize the fact that his current flying employer does not test. I still believe he needs the 1st class for commercial flying.
11-14-2008, 07:56 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Maybe you can not read?
He did not say he was not "interested in commercial flying" his exact words.... " I understand that many flight jobs require testing, this does not affect me currently or in the foreseeable future. If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate my decisions."
You read this and assume he does not fly commercially. Just as he tries to rationalize his use he may, just may, be trying to rationalize the fact that his current flying employer does not test. I still believe he needs the 1st class for commercial flying.
He did not say he was not "interested in commercial flying" his exact words.... " I understand that many flight jobs require testing, this does not affect me currently or in the foreseeable future. If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate my decisions."
You read this and assume he does not fly commercially. Just as he tries to rationalize his use he may, just may, be trying to rationalize the fact that his current flying employer does not test. I still believe he needs the 1st class for commercial flying.
I'm not going to to try to second-guess the guy's motives. I told him it was not a good idea, but there's no need to get all judgemental over a little weed...it's common enough in the real world.
The vast majority of (maybe all) employers who require a first-class medical also do pre-employment and random drug testing, either DOT or insurance mandated...you can't get a job driving a forklift without peeing in a cup these days. If that's what he's really up, he'll get what he has coming anyway.
11-14-2008, 08:14 PM
#16
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I agree with Rickair on this one...No matter how well you read into trytofly's original post, he honestly wanted to know if THC was tested for a certificate, NOT how anyone feels about it. As far as I'm concerned that's his choice, his business, and his shoulder to bear any repercussions from his decisions. We all know if we knew him or flew with him it would be a different story, we would get involved. I'm sure he understands that reality, he just wants some facts.
So to answer you, no they will not test for drugs/alcohol when you give a urine sample, this ****er tests purely blood content related things and they are searching for glucose levels etc. However when you go into an interview for ANY Aviation related flying job, you will get a **** test for drugs as per FAA Requirements. For the medical you're fine, for the job, you better be clean!
So to answer you, no they will not test for drugs/alcohol when you give a urine sample, this ****er tests purely blood content related things and they are searching for glucose levels etc. However when you go into an interview for ANY Aviation related flying job, you will get a **** test for drugs as per FAA Requirements. For the medical you're fine, for the job, you better be clean!
12-28-2013, 02:29 PM
#18
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FAA medical exams PEE TEST is not for drugs, its a test of organ functions precursors to possible diseases or issues. If you want to smoke as a private pilot no one will be the wiser. Apparently no one lives in Oregon here!
01-06-2014, 07:46 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by trytofly
Hi, I have a very simple question that I can not find a clear answer for.
I have a medical coming up for renewal and am wondering if cannabis/THC is tested for in a normal medical (class 1). Everything I have read says the urine analysis is for kidney disease only, and makes no mention of 'drug' testing, but obviously I would like to be sure.
Now before everyone starts laying into me for smoking mj, please just keep this on topic and hold back your negative comments. I only want factual advice regarding my FAA medical, hopefully from an AME. I have no problem asking my doctor directly, however anonymous advice would be better if possible. I know there will be a lot of people here that will not, or will refuse to understand my personal decisions and probably will result in some negative responses, but I would like to avoid that if possible. If you must know about my choice read the next paragraph and I'll give you some details as an attempt to avoid multiple negative replies with no useful information.
First off I'm not a stereotype pothead, hippie or stoner that most pilots associate with as soon as they hear 'cannabis use'. I'm a responsible user that only smokes occasionally in the privacy of my own home, you won't ever find me 'high' in public, and you would probably never know I smoke even if you knew me personally (like many others I suspect). I understand that many flight jobs require testing, this does not affect me currently or in the foreseeable future. If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate my decisions. I have studied the effects of mj extensively and have made a personal decision to use it occasionally to relieve stress, anxiety, and insomnia. Other (legal) medications don't work nearly as well and have nasty side effects that I prefer to avoid. I would never fly high and have a personal minimums of 24 hours from last felt effects to doing anything flight related, but never use them because its normally a week or few weeks between smoking and flying. As far as the law, I make the choice to break the law just like many of you may chose to speed, roll through a stop sign, not wear your seat belt, or even jaywalk, they are all minor misdemeanors, except my choice will not effect anyone else. I view MJ laws as silly, outdated and politically driven, again this opinion comes after much research. If the concern was really getting dangerous substances out of the hands of the public and took a scientific [logical] approach, tobacco and alcohol would be outlawed way before MJ was even mentioned. I'm well educated, have an impeccable employment history and am a responsible, contributing member to my community. I feel that in no way does MJ use on my own time affect my ability to do my job to its fullest extent, and my employers (past and present) would no doubt agree if they knew.
So please keep this on topic and simply tell me if you know for a fact weather or not THC is tested for in a normal class 1 medical. Provide links or references if you can.
Thanks.
I have a medical coming up for renewal and am wondering if cannabis/THC is tested for in a normal medical (class 1). Everything I have read says the urine analysis is for kidney disease only, and makes no mention of 'drug' testing, but obviously I would like to be sure.
Now before everyone starts laying into me for smoking mj, please just keep this on topic and hold back your negative comments. I only want factual advice regarding my FAA medical, hopefully from an AME. I have no problem asking my doctor directly, however anonymous advice would be better if possible. I know there will be a lot of people here that will not, or will refuse to understand my personal decisions and probably will result in some negative responses, but I would like to avoid that if possible. If you must know about my choice read the next paragraph and I'll give you some details as an attempt to avoid multiple negative replies with no useful information.
First off I'm not a stereotype pothead, hippie or stoner that most pilots associate with as soon as they hear 'cannabis use'. I'm a responsible user that only smokes occasionally in the privacy of my own home, you won't ever find me 'high' in public, and you would probably never know I smoke even if you knew me personally (like many others I suspect). I understand that many flight jobs require testing, this does not affect me currently or in the foreseeable future. If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate my decisions. I have studied the effects of mj extensively and have made a personal decision to use it occasionally to relieve stress, anxiety, and insomnia. Other (legal) medications don't work nearly as well and have nasty side effects that I prefer to avoid. I would never fly high and have a personal minimums of 24 hours from last felt effects to doing anything flight related, but never use them because its normally a week or few weeks between smoking and flying. As far as the law, I make the choice to break the law just like many of you may chose to speed, roll through a stop sign, not wear your seat belt, or even jaywalk, they are all minor misdemeanors, except my choice will not effect anyone else. I view MJ laws as silly, outdated and politically driven, again this opinion comes after much research. If the concern was really getting dangerous substances out of the hands of the public and took a scientific [logical] approach, tobacco and alcohol would be outlawed way before MJ was even mentioned. I'm well educated, have an impeccable employment history and am a responsible, contributing member to my community. I feel that in no way does MJ use on my own time affect my ability to do my job to its fullest extent, and my employers (past and present) would no doubt agree if they knew.
So please keep this on topic and simply tell me if you know for a fact weather or not THC is tested for in a normal class 1 medical. Provide links or references if you can.
Thanks.
Best Regards
