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Old 01-14-2009, 10:46 PM
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I know that now you can get a 1st class medical as long as you can correct to 20/20. I seem to recall that a while ago (like the late 80's) you had to be 20/20 uncorrected to get a 1st class. Does anyone know when the requirements were relaxed?
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For civilians, it used to be 20/100 uncorrected in each eye. That changed around 1995, now you just need to be correctable to 20/20.
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That's interesting because I wear glasses and started flying about a year and a half ago and people always say that they thought I could not be a pilot if I had to wear corrective lenses. I did not know where that came from.
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About 10-15 years ago UAL was sued by twin sisters who were legally blind (20/400?) but wanted to be hired as pilots. For the first time in history UAL lawyers won in court, and the blind sisters did not have to be hired as pilots.

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Originally Posted by normajean21 View Post
does it matter
Yes, it does matter to me. That is a large part of the reason I discontinued pursuing an aviation career in 1991. I've not flown for 17 years. I had barely 20/100 in both eyes distant vision and wore contacts. Since I've been out of aviation for the last 17 years, I have not kept up with when these changes in the FARs took place and wonder how long the FAA has finally had a clue.
Glad to know the FAA has caught up to reality in this department.
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Yes, it does matter to me. That is a large part of the reason I discontinued pursuing an aviation career in 1991. I've not flown for 17 years. I had barely 20/100 in both eyes distant vision and wore contacts. Since I've been out of aviation for the last 17 years, I have not kept up with when these changes in the FARs took place and wonder how long the FAA has finally had a clue.
Glad to know the FAA has caught up to reality in this department.[/quote]
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So could the twin sisters that were legally blind correct to 20/20?
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For what it's worth, I got an ATP in 1982. 20/70 20/80 One exam I couldn't read the chart to 20/100. OKC sent a letter, got an eye test from a real eye doctor, not an AME, he said everything was good and stable. Many airlines used glasses as a filter in hiring before the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, after that, as long as you could read the chart, you were good to go.
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Many airlines used glasses as a filter in hiring before the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, after that, as long as you could read the chart, you were good to go.
Actually not true. The airlines won several legal cases (see above) on the grounds that wearing glasses is not a disability, therefor ADA does not apply. AA, UAL, and others were notorious for sticking to the 20/100 uncorrected requirement even after the FA got rid of it. It was not a hard case to win...just spew some nonsense about public safety, and 12 jurors are about guaranteed to have a knee-jerk reaction

In the long run, I think they will all drop the requirement if they have not already.
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So could the twin sisters that were legally blind correct to 20/20?
I don't know. They had to have at least second class medical cartificates to apply, and I THINK that means that they were correctable to 20/20.

In my opinion what UAL was afraid of was the legal liability if they had an accident. Can you imagine a lawyer standing up in front of a jury and saying something like "And ladies and gentlemen, the defendant hired this Captain knowing that she was LEGALLY BLIND". You just know the jury is going to return a verdict that could break the company.

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