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272922 08-18-2017 03:47 AM

These days PSA Pilot Recruiting is driven far more by the office goons in DAY than by anyone else. I mean, their newly announced head pilot recruiter has zero listed in experience in either aviation or recruiting.

PSA Office logic for you......

ironmanndfw 08-18-2017 04:03 AM

IDK about their current recruiting head. I know when I interviewed back in Nov 2016 PSA appeared to be a reasonable company doing reasonable operations in the "Regional Aviation Business World."

I was also at a Endeavor interview on the 9th when Endeavor announced both additional 3 CR 700's and 16/17 CR900 coming from XJT, and the opening of a ATLANTA CR7/900 Pilot Base.

So who is poaching from whom? How do you feel about Endeavors (DL WO) announcement?

Given that Endeavor should earn your word much more than PSA - yet are you not going to bite the hand that feeds you?

Can you see some issues with your earlier rant?

For those at XJT it is great to finally have companies who will fight over you.

BTW Republic has increased its bonus just for current 121 pilots to come over. Are you angry at them for trying to recruit pilots as well?

It appears that this is just a persona touchy subject with you.

Remember back in 2008 and we could not buy a job? About about after 9/11? Any and ever other major "recession or political whim???"

It isn't my 1st rodeo either. Best wishes to all.

Otterbox 08-18-2017 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by Hou757 (Post 2412649)
Sending out emails/facebook etc to Expressjet folks that you are now having an "Open House" in Atlanta next week and to come join your awesome team. Really classless the way your pathetic recruiters are "poaching" these guys this soon. Truly pathetic!

It's likely demand driven... all of the Wholly Owned pilot recruitment offices have been swamped by XJT pilots looking to jump ship. With the new integrated seniority list, I've got a friend who lost 1000#s overnight. They're a lot closer to the bottom in the event of the furlough if XJTs remaining contract flying isn't enough to provide work for the pilots it has remaining at the company after the Exodus.

Don't get mad at the airlines extending your pilot group an olive branch by making it easy to transition, you may be needing them one day if XJT looses more contracts.

AboveAndBeyond 08-18-2017 04:30 AM

PSA has been hiring lots of XJT pilots in the last week. I have heard that there have been numerous hired via Skype this week, with more scheduled to interview next week.

For pilots based in the Southeast (anywhere near Atlanta), PSA is an obvious choice.

I am sorry that you are hurt by this, but this is how every industry works.

If AA cancelled the contract and then tried to pick up the pilots at their WO, that would be offensive. But that didn't happen here. Delta (well, SkyWest management to be exact) just made some decisions that will hurt a lot of pilots. All PSA did was to say that IF you want to come here, we will make it easy.

There was one XJT guy that applied and did a Skype interview the next day. He was offered any available class, and he picked one starting the following week. He was scheduled to be off at XJT, so gave his two week notice and will be at PSA before his 2 week notice is even up.

There is nothing wrong with that. A pilot that was in a bad situation at a sinking company that will likely have more cuts in the future will have a stable job at a stable company with good pay and benefits. Heck, he will likely upgrade in less than a year and have a flow waiting for him in 6-7 years if he wants it.

VoiceOfReason 08-18-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by ironmanndfw (Post 2412777)
IDK about their current recruiting head. I know when I interviewed back in Nov 2016 PSA appeared to be a reasonable company doing reasonable operations in the "Regional Aviation Business World."

I was also at a Endeavor interview on the 9th when Endeavor announced both additional 3 CR 700's and 16/17 CR900 coming from XJT, and the opening of a ATLANTA CR7/900 Pilot Base.

So who is poaching from whom? How do you feel about Endeavors (DL WO) announcement?


Given that Endeavor should earn your word much more than PSA - yet are you not going to bite the hand that feeds you?.

The difference between PSA and 9E is that Endeavor isn't circling the waters in Atlanta, setting up Open Houses aimed at pilots - yet. XJT is working WITH 9E, B6, and DL to set up interviews and seminars over the next few weeks for pilots to explore their options.

Now, that said, I have heard there's been an uptick in EV guys coming through our recruiting offices at the HDQ in MN. The decision to move the flying was solely based on performance. Mainline partners can choose to shift airplanes to carriers who can perform...no problems from me on that front.

This is a great option for someone who isn't hearing their phone ring from mainline/LCC/ULCC carriers. I moved from another regional to 9E last fall and haven't regretted it one second. Interviewed at 9E and PSA. Already upgraded here, so the clock is ticking on my DL interview. PSA could only say I'd be at AA in about 6 years...that'll be more than a quarter million difference in mainline pay once my time comes.

AboveAndBeyond 08-18-2017 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2412808)
The difference between PSA and 9E is that Endeavor isn't circling the waters in Atlanta, setting up Open Houses aimed at pilots - yet. XJT is working WITH 9E, B6, and DL to set up interviews and seminars over the next few weeks for pilots to explore their options.

Now, that said, I have heard there's been an uptick in EV guys coming through our recruiting offices at the HDQ in MN. The decision to move the flying was solely based on performance. Mainline partners can choose to shift airplanes to carriers who can perform...no problems from me on that front.

This is a great option for someone who isn't hearing their phone ring from mainline/LCC/ULCC carriers. I moved from another regional to 9E last fall and haven't regretted it one second. Interviewed at 9E and PSA. Already upgraded here, so the clock is ticking on my DL interview. PSA could only say I'd be at AA in about 6 years...that'll be more than a quarter million difference in mainline pay once my time comes.

If Delta cuts the jobs, then tries to lure the pilots to another Delta carrier to start over again at the bottom of the seniority list for lower pay, that is acceptable? Really?

ironmanndfw 08-18-2017 05:37 AM

I'm very happy it worked for you. I'm sure it will work for many more.

My Point is that PSA is not evil. 9E opening the ATL CR7/900 base could be seen as opportunistic considering WO status.

Point of view I suppose yet I don't have a dog in the fight other than to say - welcome to the game.

Hate the game, not the players.

Just sayin

Best of luck to all.

ACEssXfer 08-18-2017 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2412808)
The difference between PSA and 9E is that Endeavor isn't circling the waters in Atlanta, setting up Open Houses aimed at pilots - yet. XJT is working WITH 9E, B6, and DL to set up interviews and seminars over the next few weeks for pilots to explore their options.

Now, that said, I have heard there's been an uptick in EV guys coming through our recruiting offices at the HDQ in MN. The decision to move the flying was solely based on performance. Mainline partners can choose to shift airplanes to carriers who can perform...no problems from me on that front.

This is a great option for someone who isn't hearing their phone ring from mainline/LCC/ULCC carriers. I moved from another regional to 9E last fall and haven't regretted it one second. Interviewed at 9E and PSA. Already upgraded here, so the clock is ticking on my DL interview. PSA could only say I'd be at AA in about 6 years...that'll be more than a quarter million difference in mainline pay once my time comes.

What's the pass rate on that nowadays? Up around 50%?

VoiceOfReason 08-18-2017 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond (Post 2412816)
If Delta cuts the jobs, then tries to lure the pilots to another Delta carrier to start over again at the bottom of the seniority list for lower pay, that is acceptable? Really?

Delta didn't cut the jobs. SkyWest pulled the plug on the contract a year early. Plus, they inked a huge deal with UA and added shells to their AA contract. Everyone saying that XJT cut a whole bunch of jobs is misinterpreting what is actually planned. Will pilots be displaced? Likely. Will they be furloughed? Not that I'm aware of.

Put the onus on SkyWest, not 9E.

TallFlyer 08-18-2017 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2412808)
The difference between PSA and 9E is that Endeavor isn't circling the waters in Atlanta, setting up Open Houses aimed at pilots - yet. XJT is working WITH 9E, B6, and DL to set up interviews and seminars over the next few weeks for pilots to explore their options.



Lol......

Yeah, that 900 base in ATL opening right about the same time as the XJT announcement, yeah, those had nothing to do with one another.


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