Camper1's write up is pure fact. You asked... got the facts.

This is what I was thinking. Indy is close as well. Republic just ordered 100 new airplanes. They will be around for some time. C5? Much more likely they won't be around in five years.

To the OP, if you live near an RJET base I would pick them and drive to work. Better pay, better work rules, better reserve rules, better planes, better contract.....

If you meet the requirements for the guaranteed interview at C5, you should have no problem getting an off the street interview at many other airlines.

You forgot about -

people that want to upgrade but can't because they've been displaced fourteen times this year. Before anyone gets all smart arsey, all of those but four were displaced by a reserve IOE capn - or in other words unavoidable. the other four, unable to bid away from IOE capn because SAP took 4+ hours to process. Oh but you get LCR if your displaced ! hahahahhaaaa that's funny. You're given a one day trip and once you are on property you are reassigned - defacto hot reserve for the next four days :mad:

Seriously, if you don't currently live in a PSA base city apply at Endeavor - money fixes a lot of issues and Endeavor pays the money. Plus you get an interview at Delta and after seeing how American operates their business vs how Delta does... well... just ride on both and see for your self.

What turns you down about RAH? Judging from your location you live close to at least 3 RAH bases (IND, CMH, ORD). Their hourly rates are better than PSA, they have better reserve rules, the uniform is free (they payroll debut for the poisonous one you get at psa), CA upgrades are around 3 years or less, and you won't be forced into that seat and subsequently forced to another base, like you will at psa.

You keep mentioning flow.... it is a carrot, highly doubt you will need it within the next 3 years once you get some experience. There are close to 1800 pilots ahead of you here that have that same flow. I would let that count towards next to nothing for your reason to choose PSA.

Not trying to talk you out of PSA, but you should do some research on our work rules, in particular reserve. Our relationship with our union, and management, and what will most certainly affect ones qol, our schedule. No one here know's for sure what is going to happen to our scheduling system. There are many posts here that you can find relating to our SAP and people's experience with it. Lasty, compare our compensation to the other guys, our pay for CA is underwhelming, particularly if you are forced to be on reserve for any long period of time.

My experience with psa has been largely a good one, but things are changing here, and I see some bumps in the road if things don't improve.

Another thing a lot of people fail to mention or think about is even if the pay rates were the same you would still make a lot more at Endeavor and Republic because they credit a lot more than we do for the same amount of days off. I’m not exaggerating. Go read the Republic threads if you don’t believe me.

Here at PSA you can have 18 days off (which is becoming more and more difficult since SAP processing times are taking 4-5 hours), but that only gives you 65 hours of credit...70 if you get really lucky.

A republic guy recently posted that he’s only been there a year and half and for the last few months has been averaging 16-18 days off with 88-100 hours of credit. Even if you’re lucky enough to pick up a rare critical trip here at PSA you cant get anywhere close to that kind of credit with that many days off. I have a few buddies at Endeavor and they’re getting pretty similar days off/credit as Republic.

Let’s do some first year pay math. We’ll assume you want 18 days off with each airline as a line holder. If you’re willing to have less days off then the difference will be even greater.

PSA 65 hours/month x 40/hr = 2,600
2,600 x 12 = $31,200 per year

Republic 85 hours/month x 45/hr = 3,825
3,825 x 12 = $45,900 per year

Endeavor 85 hours/month x 50/hr = 4,250
4,250 x 12 = $51,000 per year

So the same 18 days off at Republic gives you about 50% more pay than PSA. Endeavor will give you about 65% higher pay than PSA.
I will also add the 85 hours is conservative based on what I’ve read on republic’s threads. And again, if you choose to fly more days then the pay difference gets greater and greater and even more so when you get past first year and greater again when you upgrade to captain.

This is what I hope people realize. Even if we match pay rates (which doesn’t look like its going to happen anytime soon) you will still make significantly more at Republic and Endeavor with the same amount of days off.

Just for giggles I decided to do captain pay also. I’m on the 4 year scale so ill just use that. Even if you’ve only been here 2 or 3 years the numbers will still be pretty close. Endeavor has two pay rates so I’ll split the difference and call it 92.

PSA 65 hours/month x 74/hour = 4,810
4,810 x 12 = $57,720 per year

Republic 85 hours/month x 84/hour = 7,140
7,140 x 12 = $85,680 per year

Endeavor 85 hours/month x 92/hour = 7,820
7,820 x 12 = $93,840 per year

Republic is 28,000 more per year with the same days off
Endeavor is 36,000 more per year.

And yes... a lot of people choose to fly more. Well, then you’ll just credit more with higher pay rates so the difference will be even greater.

I would add that if SAP is kind of working and you are successful at getting the 18 days off but decide to pick up flying in open time to get SDO pay; you will have to remember to go in and manually put your times in so that you actually get paid for it.

Keep in mind that the reason why those airlines are seeing higher credit is because they PBS vs we have line bidding. By all means I am not jumping for PBS, but the purpose of it is to more use out of a crew member with their pairings and cut out the inefficiencies of line bidding by building your line around vacations, training events, etc etc. the other thing that republic has going for it are RIGs which motivates them to fly your butt off why you are work instead of seeing days with one leg.

That's the only pro I can see with PBS. But by all means, it's going going to come cheap when it comes. The company going to have to have us give us something to have take PBS on.


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His point was that 12-13 days flying at PSA pays 65-70 hours and those same 12-13 days at Republic pays substantially more. Line bidding vs PBS isn't going to change that. PBS puts pairings together more efficiently into a line. It doesn't change what three 4-day pairings will pay.

Rigs are a different matter - schedules will be made more efficiently or they will still pay better even if they aren't.

I get what his point is, My point is that why they are crediting more during a more during the month. PBS build lines much more efficiently which equals higher credits over 3-4 day pairing. If and when Republic schedules a inefficient pairing, then rigs kick in to help increase the credit value.

This is why I would love for us to get some rigs as well.... But that's another topic for another day.


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