No, I don't. Our flow is worthless to someone who is #1801. That's probably 16 years conservatively speaking. Heck, no one saw forced upgrade happening and yet here we are. Drastic changes will happen to this segment of the industry the next 3 years let alone 16 years. Come here because it offers you QOL, and you can drive to work if DC is your choice.

Republic has 10 year Captains you say. We have 30 year Captains, and they could have flowed to AA anytime. A 10 year Captain at Republic is probably mid 6 figures $ and has outstanding QOL and probably has the best schedule. To go to a LCC or even mainline is a cut in pay and starting over. So not all guys are stuck, they might be perfectly content with their position.

Another thing to keep in mind,, you will be lucky to see all of your bonus money if you come here, it will be cut off when you are forced to the left seat at 1.5 years, or even less if you have prior 121. You will be fired if you refuse or are not comfortable, or you can take a black mark on your record if you fail upgrade if you don't make it through(we have had guys fail). Oh, and if you leave before your 2 years, because of the forced upgrade or something else, plan on paying back your prorated sign on bonus. You will essentially be making less than an FO at Republic as a captain here your 2nd year on reserve with probably another year of reserve to go until you can hold a line.(do some research on our reserve and work rules)

Not trying to be a negative Nancy. Just telling you what the recruiter won't. There are some great things here for the right person.
Good luck

What a sad day it has become when upgrade is punishment. It used to be sought after and recognized a significant milestone in one's career. Now, it is forced upon with no other option but to resign.

I am still taking the upgrade then I look to move on to the next level.


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My exact sentiment, I stated this on another thread.

Absolutely, when life gives ya lemons.... it is still an outstanding opportunity to add some experience to your resume, and take it to your next destination.

well, to be fair you didn't add in the 20k retention bonus for PSA - which you would collect all of it, if in fact you did 3 years as an FO.

I guess if you're bored enough, do the math with 1.5 years as an FO with one quarterly payment of retention bonus before forced upgrade.

edit - reread your graph, I see the 3rd CA pay more clearly now, I thought the red text at 3year delineated that at first. So, half the retention bonus at best.

Keep in mind, it's not like you're going to start at year CA at another regional after making a lateral move.

If one moves on from PSA right before they upgrade and let's say go to Republic. You'll starting off at year 1 and resetting the clock. By the time one upgrades Republic, one should be holding a line as a CA here as a Captain.


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The idea is to never fly for a regional ever again. I will fly rubber dog **** to Hong Kong on some clapped out freighter before going to another regional. There are others who would do the same.

Is that subject to the new tariffs imposed by the Trump administration?

back of the napkin math for MMG -

stay at PSA for 1.5 years (sign on bonus & current forced upgrade) = $71,120

upgrade at 1.5 years, with another 3 months of FO pay while upgrading and one retention bonus payment gives rolling totals of (not exactly how it would be but close enough for this exercise)-

1. 159420 end of yr 3
2. 225120 end of yr 4
3. 292620 end of yr 5

Switch to Endeavor at 1.5 years, spend 6 months as an FO then upgrade to CA, sign on bonus minus repayment of 6 months of sign on bonus from PSA, all on 200 pay

1. 124470 end of year 3
2. 201780 end of year 4
3. 282780 end of year 5

You wouldn't be that far behind on base pay making a lateral move.

While PSA rates are not super horrible its the bonuses that pump it up and the soft pay rules that hurt us the most.

9E is 4hrs min day, 5hrs on a a 5 day - 100% DH and open time is 150/200%.

I don't remember the language exactly and not going to bother looking it up - at 9E if you elect to let PBS give you more than 84 hours you automagically (yes, automagically - no submitting claims on the third blue moon of the year or you are forever ****ed out of pay...) get premium pay (don't remember what that rate is...but I would guess 150 otherwise people wouldn't do it and just pick open time)

With the soft pay rules you will easily surpass PSA earnings, even with a lateral move. With reserve grid manipulation its near impossible to earn critical pay which only equals normal premium pay at 9E and premium pay of 125% is based on the lowest credit day of all your trips in a month or some ridiculous screw you over type language that is so convoluted that I've never even bothered picking up open time