Filler........
What about those who got hired off the street, should we we also afford them opportunity to returned too. You say no to that, I say no to flow back. I don’t think it’s reasonable for you to put want to put other pilots on the street for your benefit of having a fall back plan of flowing back. its a tough time right now and everyone is worried about their jobs right now. |
Originally Posted by VerifyChecked
(Post 3013874)
How about no. You got hired at American. These guys got hired at PSA. Just asking to displace PSA guys to save you is selfishness, period.
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Originally Posted by Systemized
(Post 3013978)
You could throw in a no displacement/downgrade clause for good measure. Would you still be against that? And you’re still getting double flow. The next enhancement after double flow is a mainline seniority number, but flow backs would need better seniority than bottom of the captain list for that to happen.
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And people call the younger generations entitled. Unbelievable.
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Personally I’m for it if the flow-backs come in as “DECs” on the bottom of the list. And in exchange we lock in our current pay structure, SAP, guarantees not to furlough, and get increased flows at 1% /month once hiring resumes.
If we can lock those provisions in I see it as a win for everyone. Don’t forget, these APA pilots are your union brethren albeit not from ALPA. And don’t forget that if you were in their shoes you would also be looking for a soft place to land for a few years. We need to be looking at ways to help each other. Also worth reminding everyone, locking in the above contractual provisions would be huge in the current environment. We have no leverage. If this turns into an extended downturn then fully expect intense downward pressure on wages and contracts. Keep that in mind. |
Don’t negotiate in public.
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Originally Posted by Radar Contact
(Post 3014138)
Don’t negotiate in public.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It’s more like the 2 dudes from Jurassic Park. “See... Nobody cares” |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3014183)
As someone who is very familiar with the process I can assure you... No one from management is pulling up APC going, “see... SEE! This is what they want! This is what I’ve been saying!”
It’s more like the 2 dudes from Jurassic Park. “See... Nobody cares” |
Flow backs
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3014102)
Personally I’m for it if the flow-backs come in as “DECs” on the bottom of the list. And in exchange we lock in our current pay structure, SAP, guarantees not to furlough, and get increased flows at 1% /month once hiring resumes.
If we can lock those provisions in I see it as a win for everyone. Don’t forget, these APA pilots are your union brethren albeit not from ALPA. And don’t forget that if you were in their shoes you would also be looking for a soft place to land for a few years. We need to be looking at ways to help each other. Also worth reminding everyone, locking in the above contractual provisions would be huge in the current environment. We have no leverage. If this turns into an extended downturn then fully expect intense downward pressure on wages and contracts. Keep that in mind. That’s not helping anyone out except for a select few. |
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