PSA 2024 Class Dates..
 

Hello, I have been in the cadet program since last May, CJO last November with ATPCTP scheduled for this month and Class next month until I got the email delayiong me into March. I was wondering if anyone else is in the same boat due to the captain hiring. Should I be concerned that they will delay me again? Should I consider the sister companies like Piedmont or Envoy? TY :)

Go to whoever gets you a sooner class date

Seems like were all in the same boat. I was never even given a class date with my CJO (end of december, cadet sense mid 2022) , just a TBD. Envoy and Piedmont from my experence is not looking at non cadets. Athlough im a 1550 CFI, the least in demand pilot there ever was.

have some good information that The people shuffling issue/1-2 month backup for the FO's should be revolved in march

Are there any additional developments with regard to this FO back up? Got a CJO with a TBD as well and don't have any additional information since December... I did reach out to HR, well responses have been silent as well. The only thing I heard is that about 20+ DECs came in the last class but nothing much.

DEC will always have priority. so as long as there is DEC wanting to be there FO's will get bumped from class

There are supposedly no classes past March 2024. They're waiting to get people who originally had Dec/Jan classes caught up. It's mostly people shuffling to make room for DECs and CA upgrades. It's good for us long term. I also heard a rumor there was a bad COVID outbreak in the training department sometime before Christmas. They're trying to get those people who were sick back in the mix as well. I had 1/15 originally, but got moved to 2/26. I'm hopeful it sticks. I do think they are trying to make Cadets a priority.

From what you heard, are they going to have classes past March 2024 at some point soon? I am looking to hit mins by april and I was hoping it was not gonna be a huge delay. I am a cadet.

They should have classes past March once things get caught up. I don't have a crystal ball, but I think things should work out well for you.

I'm sure there's a plan for training months in the future, but it's not a reliable one.

Captain supply, instructor supply, etc will all make the decision to run a particular class changeable every day. Plan for long delays and little reliable information - you may be pleasantly surprised.

They first need to get people in class that signed CJOs in Nov, Dec and Jan. They wont do your CRB until you have reached mins, i would expect a delay of some sort. I signed CJO in December with a TBD date.

I was told I can submit for CRB at 1400. Is it then done at mins? And I am expecting a delay just hoping it won't be something like the people at OO are going through.

I was told that I can submit for CRB at 1400. Are they done at mins then? And I am expecting a delay but hoping it wont be as long as the delays at OO for example.

Honestly, if anyone is thinking AA is their long term career goal, something other than a WO might be a good get. All of this could be seen as a blessing in disguise.

The guidance has changed a bit depending on what they needed. In my case I was told that the CRB could only occur if I had met all my R-ATP requirements. Despite the fact that they were well aware I was going to have them completed ahead of schedule. Take it for what it is worth, but honestly it seems to be a very fluid situation.

How recent did you do your CRB and get a class date?

Yes. same, CRB ony at mins. This was late december,

December and was given a TBD as a class date. So no ETA on when that is going to happen and or ATP-CTP.

I'm in the exact same boat as you. Sadness. Have you applied to everyone else?

Any idea who is?

Who else got pushed to April?

May....nothing like getting pushed 4 months

I got a CJO in December with a March 11th class date. About a month later recieved an email with just March as a class date, then today just got one saying it would now be May. Last week they did start the ball rolling on backgorund check and drug test. Not sure if it means much though.

Are you guys cadets as well?

I was apart of the cadet program until i was issued the CJO I believe.

I am a Cadet. Accepted CJO late October 2023. Was originally given 1/15 for class. Went to CTP 1/3.

Weekend before Christmas, I get a call from recruiting stating they are about 30 applicants fat, and will have to move me to 2/26. No big deal.

2/1 I get the automated email saying I'll be pushed to April 2024.

I'm pretty confused by the situation. Talked to recruiting last week and said they were looking good for Feb.

My honest opinion is that HR and the training department are not on the same page. HR may have taken on more candiates than training wanted, and now they're trying to work things out. What's weird is that Cadets are still being given CJOS and CRBs though.

I think people who get delayed are random. It does not matter if you were RTAG, Cadet, etc. The only people I have talked to with minimal delays are Cadets who bugged PSA enough to get their cadet bonuses.

They have to do the CRB for cadets. It says it a letter us cadets signed that upon reaching ATP mins (assuming we abide by the rules of the cadet program) we will have an FO position at PSA.

From experience working at another carrier's training department I think you hit the nail in the head. Usually, delays like this is a result of a missing link between the training department and HR, planners come out with numbers HR gets the people and then something along the way happens and they have a "pants on fire" moment and re-do their original plan to meet the new issue until the other comes up (swing the pendulum the opposite way in the same chaotic fashion) off course leaving a trail of confusion and broken timelines for everyone who is involved in the process. My take is that they are still FO heavy and want to get as many Captains as possible and High Time FOs (which they can upgrade as quickly as possible) which in their own words is their focus. From an operational planning stand point a Cadet and off the street hire have no quantifiable value to the operation.

In my case, I was asked if I could do my CRB in December and be ready for ATP-CTP in January and if I could meet my hours by then (which I could if I did some flying at my expense via credit line and I did) meet their timeline. Come December I come up to the CRB they off course say, things have changed get a TBD and I am sitting here wondering what to do with some of my finances. I think it would have been better if they had just stuck to the whole "you call us when you have your hours" affair and gotten a bit of a more realistic expectations. Lesson learned I guess, it is just a bit discouraging. Doesn't help when even some of the mentors don't know what is going on and they are left to take the questions from the cadets (tough spot for them).

Class dates still looking like April at the earliest for FOs and cadets?

If I was a betting man and looking at what we know (and what we don't know) I'd say May-July would be the time frame when things look like they may start moving again at PSA. Again, looks like they have such an imbalance that they are playing it day by day.

I signed CJO in December 2023 got "TBD". The only other option I have is republic with their contract

I would check out flexjet -no contract there

FLex now requires 3000TT just a FYI

I honestly don't think PSA will have this imbalance sorted for a few months, and I'd surely apply other places even if you're a Cadet.

I’d give it another month and if they keep extending it, I’d probably consider going elsewhere. It could be worse though. In 2021 right after Covid was ‘over’ and 121 hiring resumed, I got a CJO at endeavor and they told us it would be 9-10 months until our class would start. I said hell to the no. PSA on the other hand gave me a class date 3 weeks out lol. It’s amazing how fast things can change in this business, even within the same company.

Great all I need to get now is 1300 hours more

So is anyone aware that PSA again just closed their new hire FO classes and are now waiting until at least Summer 2024 at the earliest to start bringing FOs/cadets again? I'd be happy to see if anyone wants to correct me on this but this is what a source claimed. Looking at the silence PSA has been displaying this might very well be true.

Where did you heaar this from? If that was the case id assume they'd notify people. I was told by a recruiter classes are actually stabilizing

Does anyone know if PSA will pentalize Cadets if they find work somewhere else? I have a CJO from Envoy, and an interview with Piedmont next week. PSA already paid for my CTP, but I will gladly pay them 5k back. I'd rather go to Envoy at this point anyways. There's loose language in the Cadet Letter/CJO that states we shouldn't engage with other airlines. I know its typical for people to rack up CJOs, and go where they want. I just have thoughts in the back of mind the wholly owns will find out I have offers at 2/3 of them. I don't think they really keep track or care, but you never know. Many PSA Cadets I've talked to are in class at other airlines since they've been pushed.

When I signed up for the PSA Cadet Program 2 years ago, the HR pilot said there was no real commitment to them unless you received bonus money. If you wanted to leave before 24 months, you simply paid them back.

As far as PSA class dates go, I've heard so many different things. I don't have a crystal ball, but I don't think most of us would be in PSA class by summer at the earliest. The FedEx pilots are indeed coming, and they have many other high time FOs and DECs in the pipeline. Unless you're a Cadet who actually got the bonuses, they are not making you a priroity. The whole reason I let PSA keep my CTP date is thinking they'd bump me up. Turns out, it made no difference. It might have gotten me an Envoy CJO though.

The main thing that concerns me about PSA is they are being very wishy washy, and aren't giving hard dates for Indoc. They're basically speculating you'll start one month, then push you another 1-2 down the road. They are holding carrots in our faces. I'm sick of it. I wish they let us do things at our own pace, and say something along the lines of, "Just stay where you're at, we'll call you when your time comes." They made a big deal that I would be ready for Indoc on 1/15. Thank god my flight school let me have my CFI job back. Envoy at least figured out their CA imbalance last year, and are now ready to hire FOs off the street again. Envoy claims 2 classes a month, 75-90 FOs each. That should move a lot faster than the 30-40 PSA starts a month. Most of those are DECs anyways.

I have a slight conspiracy theory that PSA took on way too many FOs, and are kinda hoping candidates will leave on their own and find work elsewhere. They will never own up to their hiring miscalculation. I have a friend who has been pushed multiple times. He was supposed to start 10/23, and now told 3/24. That's quite the wait.

An LCA at the company. Now, I am sure he doesn't have the complete picture but the silence from PSA does lend credence to this theory. Did your recruiter assure you this isn't the case? It is a miracle you were able to get a response from them. In my case they haven't responded to my communications at all.