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bigtime209 07-27-2013 04:30 PM

Stand Strong PSA!
 
Sorry if this has already been covered, but rumor is US Air, after the failed attempt of a B-Scale at Eagle, is now coming to PSA for concessions in exchange for shiny jets. If this is the case, stand strong over there guys. We can't give anymore.

fullflank 07-27-2013 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 1452820)
Sorry if this has already been covered, but rumor is US Air, after the failed attempt of a B-Scale at Eagle, is now coming to PSA for concessions in exchange for shiny jets. If this is the case, stand strong over there guys. We can't give anymore.

Yes they are coming for us now. No details yet, but psa and usairways management isn't calling meetings to negotiate raises. Unlike what happened at eagle though, I'm afraid in our case it will go to a pilot vote. That scares me.

skyxbomb 07-27-2013 05:43 PM

It better not if we have to give up a single cent

meyers9163 07-27-2013 05:56 PM

No one knows anything. Anyone else to say other wise is speculating at the very least. I hope the NC at PSA and their pilots do what's best for them. From the email it sounds like nothing was said by USairways at all. So to come here and say cuts were asked for is trying to stir the pot for some unknown reason?

SebastianDesoto 07-27-2013 06:08 PM

If they are not offering more to fly bigger airplanes, it's an effective pay cut.

What 07-27-2013 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1452847)
No one knows anything. Anyone else to say other wise is speculating at the very least. I hope the NC at PSA and their pilots do what's best for them. From the email it sounds like nothing was said by USairways at all. So to come here and say cuts were asked for is trying to stir the pot for some unknown reason?

I like your positive attitude, I really do. But you need to look at the facts. Your airline already has a pay scale for 76 seaters and you just recently signed a contract. US Airways management said that they are not guaranteeing airplanes unless said regional is willing to reduce cost trending towards Pinnacle. So PSA unless you have Pinnacle cost structure as far as pay rates you will be asked for concessions. And please don't fall for the whole B scale fiasco, because it will become the scale for current pilots along with new hires. By the end of next week this thread will be singing a different song one way or the other.

PerpetualFlyer 07-27-2013 06:20 PM

Blah. ....

fullflank 07-27-2013 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1452847)
No one knows anything. Anyone else to say other wise is speculating at the very least. I hope the NC at PSA and their pilots do what's best for them. From the email it sounds like nothing was said by USairways at all. So to come here and say cuts were asked for is trying to stir the pot for some unknown reason?

Actually I have to agree with WHAT. By process of deduction, there is actually nothing realistic that these meetings could be for other than concession talks. Sure, theres standard deviation built in, but thats like a .004 percent chance that management wants to meet to offer bonuses for a job well done. Its safe to assume at this point that our NC committee was invited to renegotiate our terms, again not for the better.

meyers9163 07-27-2013 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1452855)
I like your positive attitude, I really do. But you need to look at the facts. Your airline already has a pay scale for 76 seaters and you just recently signed a contract. US Airways management said that they are not guaranteeing airplanes unless said regional is willing to reduce cost trending towards Pinnacle. So PSA unless you have Pinnacle cost structure as far as pay rates you will be asked for concessions. And please don't fall for the whole B scale fiasco, because it will become the scale for current pilots along with new hires. By the end of next week this thread will be singing a different song one way or the other.

Making an LOA to allow extra IOE or withholding of lines for training etc would require such. That wouldn't mean concessions etc. Asking for help to recruit pilots from our group to staff planes could also be asked for. Changing the job progression clause to suit the new AA would require meeting. I can think of as many reasons not negative as I can positive. So again to come here saying, "I hear PSA was asked for concessions" is again nothing but a move to stir the pot.

boiler07 07-27-2013 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1452875)
Making an LOA to allow extra IOE or withholding of lines for training etc would require such. That wouldn't mean concessions etc. Asking for help to recruit pilots from our group to staff planes could also be asked for. Changing the job progression clause to suit the new AA would require meeting. I can think of as many reasons not negative as I can positive. So again to come here saying, "I hear PSA was asked for concessions" is again nothing but a move to stir the pot.

You're optimistic. I get it. But you need to take a look at the big picture here. Management wants profit margins like delta is projecting. Eagle did all that they could to find a creative way around a b-scale, but in the end the company was stubborn. They think the only way to get results is to have low pilot costs. They just don't get it. Their copycat style reeks of AMR's business plan over the last decade; Follow Delta and avoid being original like the plague.

But sure, they're probably talking to you guys because they want you all to flow to mainline on monday with your current pay step.


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