Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1700596)

PSA is owned by American Airlines Group, no RFPs or bidding.

Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1700345)

Very well. I can live with that.

Your contract is amendable in 2016 yes?

At that time PSA's rate for a capped captain will be ~$91/hr.

Example: I am a 12 year capped captain. In the SAP I drop my credit to 65 hours with 18 days off. This is fully repeatable and I do it every month. I can sometimes get 19 days off if there's 31 days but also sometimes I can only get 17 days off because I need to add an out and back to actually get up to 65 hours.

After the SAP I add one 4 day trip to bring my credit to 95 hours. I now have 14 days off and have chosen which days to work, and which days not to work.

I get paid $8645. This is without "shifting" any of my other trips on to critical days and getting paid critical for the whole trip. So I could be crediting up to 125-130 hours with 14 days off. Or I could stay with the 18 days off by not adding the 4 day and get 95 hours credit from shifting only. That won't happen every month but you can usually get one trip shifted at least. but we'll stick with the $8645 for comparison.

A topped out Eagle captain will make ~103/hr. He has good seniority so is able to score a line with 85 hours credit and 14 days off. (I'm sure there are better ones sometimes, but there's also probably worse ones too. 85 and 14 should be average, correct this if needed.)

The topped out Eagle captain makes $8755. Is that more than our friend at PSA? Yes, by $110. Sweet! $110 more than that PSA scumbag. However, he also missed his wife's birthday and he had to work labor day, missing all the sweet barbeques.

Lets not forget that only a topped out captain is going to make that hourly rate so our 12 year PSA guy is actually making more than every other pilot at Eagle that isn't on 18 year pay. With a very real possibility of making more than that 18 year guy anyway.

Long story short $110 a month is not paradigm shifting or industry altering in any way especially considering that 95 hours and 14 days off is actually a bad month at PSA.

But hey, you guys keep trying like hell and risking your careers to protect a contract that isn't even that good to begin with.

Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1700601)

Semantics, you know what I mean though. AAG puts out an RFP, a bunch of airlines bid and they picked PSA. What happens when AA figures out they're paying so much premium time to you guys and it's costing them more than originally planned, and because you're wholly owned they just take your planes and give them to anyone else with little notice

Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1700639)

PSA is not an expensive pilot group contrary to what many PSA pilots have said on here. Obtaining a significant amount of soft pay only comes when the company is short staffed. The company is not as short as they once were and swapping into trips without adding a net increase of days and getting paid 150% percent for the entire trip is becoming harder to do depending on your base and position. Normal premium pay is only 125% and only applies to the net days added to your schedule after the final bid award. Therefore, normal premium pay for open-time pickups can only net you an extra 10 hours a month at best.

Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1700685)

I'm not looking to sugar coat this. I couldn't care less if not one single more pilot were hired here. The original argument was about how we "undercut" Eagle. I'll still standby my statement of our contract being just as costly as Eagle's. If we are the same price then we didn't "undercut" anything. The company is blowing steam up eagle's ass based on our payrates.

One more time: If Eagle's NC offered a carbon copy of PSA's contract to AAG it would be rejected immediately by the company. At the time of our TA last summer the SAP and the critical pay section of our contract weren't even effective yet. The company had no idea how effective those sections were going to be for our pilots both for time off and soft pay.

Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1700850)

Everything you just said is completely irrelevant. This is why you all are idiots. It can be explained to you a million different ways but you STILL DON'T GET IT.


You PSA clowns don't have any concept of a big picture whatsoever. Why do you think Glass is so obsessed with locking new hires in with 12/4 pay caps at PSA, Piedmont, AND Eagle? It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see what his motive is. Glass's obsession with 12/4 at each of the regionals is to simplify the inevitable merger.

You can project future earnings all you want, but in five years PSA as it is now won't even exist. If you amateurs hadn't sold out on the 12/4, Piedmont and Eagle would not have to stand up and fight as we do now.

Thusly you are stabbing sellouts. But then you'd never admit to that publicly even if you knew it to be true...

All this garbage about the minutia in your contract is just that... Garbage.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1700875)

Isn't Eagle's current contract a BK concessionary contract? So that would mean the PSA contract is as good as the least acceptable scenario while trying to exit from BK.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1700875)

Isn't Eagle's current contract a BK concessionary contract? So that would mean the PSA contract is as good as the least acceptable scenario while trying to exit from BK.