Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1980967)

I'm sure you gained that insight from all your years serving in the Marines? You show your ignorance by calling them troops. Please keep covering for the companies failures. This deal/plan has been in the works for a long time. This base opening has been known for months by management despite their attempts to play smoke and mirrors with the pilot group to keep it secret. Management should have had a plan in place to notify their employees before they put the announcement on blast. This is just another sign of the utter contempt that the company has for it's employees.

Originally Posted by Theonemarine (Post 1981735)

This was my point. Anyone who thought/thinks otherwise is incorrect. NYC, ORD, DCA, CLT, PHL, Maybe DFW and maybe MIA. That's it.

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Originally Posted by gold (Post 1981781)

The only cities PSA will probably serve out of CVG are CLT, PHL, DCA, and maybe LGA. I think LGA is more likely than ORD right now.


In the near term, PSA is only getting another 24 planes (besides the remaining 3-4 coming from Envoy). Those 24 could be spread out through the PHL, DCA and LGA networks without opening up a hub crew base. It's likely the 24 900s will be split three ways between PHL, DCA and LGA.

Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1981774)

I have an idea. Apply for a management position and effect change or go somewhere you can be happy.

Why wouldn't they announce it as soon as they could? How does it benefit the company to hide it? If you knew about their plan for months then I guess it wasn't a secret was it?

Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1981978)

-They didn't release the info right away. The only reason they got around to telling the employees is because they were informed of our displeasure and even then it was the least amount of info they could possibly share. When are the base bids coming out?

-They blasted the internet before the employees. Pretty disrespectful.

-The plan of opening a new base has been known, that's it.

-Show me a regional that doesn't have crappy management.

-I never said I was unhappy. I just avoid Dayton and the CLT crew room. Each place kills a little bit of your soul.

Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus (Post 1981981)

Where do you hangout bro????? Lemme hang with you

Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1981989)

D terminal, sushi.

Originally Posted by Skyhawk92 (Post 1982013)

Left of sushi? On the little couches?

My favorite.

Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1981792)

I doubt much flying will come out of LGA. Especially cvg-LGA because of the slot swap with delta. I believe they don't even have a slot....?
I mean envoy is still operating out of LGA past November, just no base. Waterski has been doing some AA stuff also, but there is no other reduction from rah/Awac/pdt in LGA....probably just more 900's in Phl and dca I'd imagine

Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 1981624)

...and what would happen with a staffing/computer/work/contract, etc.. issue do in CLT? 30 flights a day? Try over 100 flights a day!

30 flights a day is not a big deal and AAG would have no concerns having a single carrier do that much flying out of a city. Look at the amount of lift that single regionals provide out of other cities.

The truth is, CVG is a huge market and AAG can make money there. They can use it as a starting point to provide flying out of DCA, IND, and ORD. The rent is cheap, and the airport is welcoming AAG and PSA. There are facilities there, and it is a fairly decent place to commute to/from. With the added flying that PSA will be doing, CVG will be a one leg commute from dozens of major cities.

Also, AAG wants to start using the 900's as a platform for longer flights (thus the introduction of the meal service). Expect 3-3.5 hour flights out of CVG on 900's.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1982084)

I'm pretty sure DCA is going to be the next base announcement. It is a "logical choice" according to one person in management. Who knows though. PSA seems to hate having domiciles in hubs.

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 1982095)

I already have some CVG-PHL flying in the 900 on my schedule this month.

Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1981978)

-They didn't release the info right away. The only reason they got around to telling the employees is because they were informed of our displeasure and even then it was the least amount of info they could possibly share. When are the base bids coming out?
-They blasted the internet before the employees. Pretty disrespectful.
-The plan of opening a new base has been known, that's it.
-Show me a regional that doesn't have crappy management.
-I never said I was unhappy. I just avoid Dayton and the CLT crew room. Each place kills a little bit of your soul.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1982084)

I'm pretty sure DCA is going to be the next base announcement. It is a "logical choice" according to one person in management. Who knows though. PSA seems to hate having domiciles in hubs.

Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1982408)

There is more money in originators going into the hubs rather than the opposite.

Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1982405)

You aren't unhappy? Could of fooled me with your posts. I saw it on the employee website. Isn't that communicating to the employees? You take a good thing and make it "disrespectful".

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 1982423)

All of which has no bearing on where PSA puts their pilots. A pilot domicile has nothing to do with ticket prices, rather where to keep pilots, and especially reserves, to keep the operation running smoothly and efficiently. What good does having 30 reserves available in CVG/DAY/TYS when ORD/DCA/etc is in a ground delay program and flights are canceling due to no crews available?

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 1982095)

I already have some CVG-PHL flying in the 900 on my schedule this month.

Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1982405)

You aren't unhappy? Could of fooled me with your posts. I saw it on the employee website. Isn't that communicating to the employees? You take a good thing and make it "disrespectful".

Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1982540)

Rumor from a friend of a friend of someone who may or may not work at PSA is that you guys are going to see mid-trip displacement fully protected - NO reserve; no long call or short call.

Originally Posted by DETSports (Post 1982549)

Haha so it has already been twisted at least a few times...road shows start next week so should see it by the end of this week....key word, SHOULD...

Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1982492)

How can say this. If guys are displaced they will have to pull their kids out of school, ask their wife to find a new job, sell a house, buy a house. Not everyone is 23 who can just squat in a different town. Company communication helps employees plan their business. I don't wake up every morning and surf the employee website. They could also announce the planned size so employees could calculate the possible effects on them and plan accordingly. Its only a "good" thing for some.

Originally Posted by DETSports (Post 1982549)

Haha so it has already been twisted at least a few times...road shows start next week so should see it by the end of this week....key word, SHOULD...

Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1982794)

Make sure to check facebook. That's where PSA chooses to put its news out first.

Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1983167)

Well, you just being out of your teens ( I think ), you should appreciate a company that has embraced social media....... I have flown with so many wet behind the ears pups that just got their first job that have an opinion on everything with no experience to base it on. Makes me laugh every day.

Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1982483)

Was happy to see PSA took that from Republic. Unfortunately the only thing less reliable than RAH is a PSA originator in their bases.... Hoping this doesn't go south.

Originally Posted by IceManCRJ (Post 1983200)

The more and more I read on here it seems like all you old dogs would rather the industry stay in the "Lost Decade" so you don't have to fly with the new guys. Everybody was new at one point or the other. Did you guys forget that? And wether their opinions are right or wrong at least they have one. Would rather see guys thinking for themselves and trying to sort stuff out rather than just following blindly into the night. New pilots = movement and/or growth, we should all be tickled pink to fly with the new guy. It is a sign of better things to come.

Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1983244)

From someone born in the 70s: These guys are just old and bitter because the stars didn't align for them. Their careers stalled and they want everyone else to have it "as hard as they did." I tell them life isn't fair. Move on.

Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 1983256)

Thats the exact impression I get.

When our DO spoke to my upgrade class he was baffled as to why we would want a flow, or expect it. His words were "When I was at brand x we didn't have a flow (1988) so why do you think you deserve one?"
Followed up with "this generation is too entitled"


It's sad that the old timers can't realize that things are a changin' I try to cut them some slack because I know change is hard for old people.

Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 1983256)

Thats the exact impression I get.

When our DO spoke to my upgrade class he was baffled as to why we would want a flow, or expect it. His words were "When I was at brand x we didn't have a flow (1988) so why do you think you deserve one?"
Followed up with "this generation is too entitled"


It's sad that the old timers can't realize that things are a changin' I try to cut them some slack because I know change is hard for old people.

Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1983244)

From someone born in the 70s: These guys are just old and bitter because the stars didn't align for them. Their careers stalled and they want everyone else to have it "as hard as they did." I tell them life isn't fair. Move on.

Originally Posted by IceManCRJ (Post 1983200)

The more and more I read on here it seems like all you old dogs would rather the industry stay in the "Lost Decade" so you don't have to fly with the new guys. Everybody was new at one point or the other. Did you guys forget that? And wether their opinions are right or wrong at least they have one. Would rather see guys thinking for themselves and trying to sort stuff out rather than just following blindly into the night. New pilots = movement and/or growth, we should all be tickled pink to fly with the new guy. It is a sign of better things to come.


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Originally Posted by CaptLucky (Post 1983368)

Old and bitter? What a laugh after all the negative stuff you have posted. I enjoy my job. I like PSA and most the people.

Next time you ***** about the company I'll remind you life isn't fair........

Originally Posted by gold (Post 1983322)

That's why we can't use printers or LPV approaches. "Because, back in 1988 we didn't have that stuff."

BTW, PSA did have a flow through. That was before it was called PSA, even before it was called Jetstream International when owned by the legacy Piedmont. The flow through went away when Piedmont merged with US Air.