HAHA wow. This thread is about to get really good.

pi$$ off punk.

Oh by the way, welcome to APC. Heck of a first post junior.

Hopefully in the not too distant future when the majority of pilots in this industry are "young entitled junior guys" you can get over yourself. Good luck spending the rest of your career resentful over nothing you or they had control over.

And if you joined the airlines 5 years ago, it was after the crash of '08. You should have known what you were getting into. No sympathy.

First post or not, he's got a point. But I forgot, FirstClass knows everything and is the smartest guy on APC...just ask him!

I wasn't aware of that flow.

But, the DO worked at what is now Piedmont.

Flow deets are out.


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The docs are posted on psa.alpa.org.

Very interesting. I also see the 12year cap is being removed as well. I would assume this is for Captains only, right?

Steps in the right direction!!

The cap is not removed. However you are no longer capped at your current rate (example year 10) if you opt not to flow to AA. The pay scale still continues up to the cap at 12. Year 13+ guys of course stay at their grandfathered yearly rate.

I stand corrected, Thank you for the explanation.

Revised aircraft delivery chart just posted.

PSA Airlines | Fleet Growth Update | October 2, 2015

Does anyone have the old one? I'm interested in seeing how the two differ. Seems like the original projected us at 150 aircraft by May 2017 but I can't recall exactly.

http://www.psaairlines.com/wp-conten...chedule-13.jpg

And the much earlier one:
http://www.psaairlines.com/wp-conten...Schedule-6.jpg

The only real difference is we are taking two airplanes per month for a good portion of this year instead of three due to staffing issues.

So what's the new flow details?

- Straight flow
- Immediate increase to 5/month
- Increase of 1 additional flow a month for every 62 captains added to the list (up to a max of 8/month)
- Meet again to discuss increasing the 8 cap in June 2016
- Pilot who bypasses the program will no longer be frozen at current rate (will be allowed to climb to 12).
- Mid trip displacements will allow the displaced pilot the option of either being released and pay protected for the trip, or he can opt to pick up alternate flying.
- IOE language has been clarified. In addition, a call-in day for pilots waiting for IOE has been established as well.

Off the top of my head.

it really isn't a bad deal. some would have you thinking the sky is falling. we all want 10+ a month out of here, but its obviously not going to happen when we can barely staff our airline as it is. unrealistic expectation. we aren't giving anything up and the company is required to come back to the table in 9 months. who knows what the future holds, very good things could come at that time.

No that's not bad for nothing in exchange. Is it still true a PSA pilot can't interview at AA outside the flow?

How much are guys taking home per month 1st year right now with whatever your current blended rate is?

$1800-$2100

Thank you. And to be clear is that before or after tax?

First year FO is currently $24.32. You can see what that is after taxes for your local state here: Paycheck Calculators | Online Payroll Calculators | Paycheck City

$2100 after taxes and deductions is a fair estimate though if you only make guarantee.

No, not exactly. AA has to make offers to the min required (flowing) new hires in seniority order however there's nothing stopping them from hiring more than the min required. Any offers made on top of the flowing new hires can be extended to anyone on the seniority list. That being said, to my knowledge, AA has never hired more than the min required since the SSP started so it's a mute point until/if they ever do.

i have to agree. there is nothing prohibiting AA from hiring someone just hasnt happened, yet. hah

I bring home $365 dollars a week after taxes and I'm claiming 1. I can't afford the health insurance, yet somehow I have to pay that tax next year because I don't have it, ( just think about that for a minute)
My crash pad is the likes of a trailer park. Im on reserve so I'm hardly flying or getting per diem so this makes that insulting $365 a week almost near impossible to live on.

You can't BS these young kids anymore these days, nobody wants to do this job. I think most airline guys forget the struggles of year one, the dollar doesn't go as far today as it did back then. So its even more difficult to make it through.

I apologize for the rant, hopefully I answered your question.

Wow I know I talk sheet about you guys a lot but things really are a lot worse over there then I thought. Oh well, you made your bed now sleep in it.

Dude this is any and every regional airline, don't fool yourself. I don't have a problem with it, just came on the internet to complain is all.

No need to apologize. I appreciate hearing it. I'm still tossing around a couple regionals to apply to, and the only real draw for me to consider PSA is that I would be living in CLT.

Just trying to learn what I can to determine if living in CLT for PSA would be better than commuting to another company with better pay/conditions.

First year Eagle pay is what? A dollar more than PSA?

So instead of $365/week an Eagle year one guy is making $383 assuming guarantee.

They must be wiping their asses with hundos over at Eagle with all that extra cash flow.

Go troll elsewhere, you come off a fool.

If you live in CLT, PSA should merit serious consideration unless you have a pressing desire to commute. Not even the best contract can get you the benefits of living in base.

With good financial planning, sufficient savings, and personal budgeting, year one is easily survivable.

Check out Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com. Excellent personal finance resource.

Commuting sucks. It's not worth it to go fly for one of the other regionals. Living in base will be the best thing you can do for your quality of life.

I made it through first year commuting but it wasn't easy (It was awful). Moving to CLT was the best move I ever made. Love it here. Either way, first year pay sucks, but it wasn't any worse than flight instructing, but it was a kick in the nuts from my 135 job before here...so there is that. Nonetheless, you can make it work. Plenty of guys do. If there had been a regional with a base where I lived I may have considered it.

I think long term, and the long term (5-10 years) at PSA looks god awful. Let's say, hypothetically, you are a 1500 hr. new-hire and decide to go to PSA. You aren't even remotely competitive for one of the 2 legacy (Delta and United) jobs for 5 years. Who is to say they're going to hire you? I'd rather go to a place with a flow, then have a life long career at PSA. Or even a stint at PSA then move over to a LCC. But that's just me. Different strokes for different fokes.

In what way? We have so many Envoy pilots who left your so called company to come over here to greener pastures.

Haha I bet you do. You do nothing but tell lies on here so I wouldn't believe a word you say. I can't believe I'm actually wasting my time responding to you, but yes a few jumped ship to PSA in the past but not anymore.

Which brings us to an interesting question: There have been MANY Envoy pilots who have moved over to PSA in the last 2 years. How many PSA pilots have moved (or even tried to move) to envoy, (where they have that awesome flow-thu!) in that same period.

I think we all know the answer to that question. I guess most pilots just aren't as smart as subslime259.

Someone mentioned that reserve was changing/going away. Any updates on that? Also, whats the speculation on CVG senority? Will it be senior or start off fairly junior?

That's news to me. Reserve will never go away, not here nor at any other airline. Id imagine CVG will go junior for FOs.