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SkyWago 08-13-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by mdot (Post 1948827)
Can envoy staff it?

Yes. 200+ pilots overstaffed and gladly taking everything back we can.

tennisguru 08-14-2015 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by joek (Post 1948896)
What's PBS style bidding?

Instead of the company manually building each line and pilots bidding on the lines they want, a computer program has all the trips in one giant pool and starting at pilot #1 looks at what bid preferences they want (days off, start/end time, layover city, etc) and build them a line. Then it moves on to pilot 2, 3, etc. PBS is great if you're senior because you can get pretty much any line you want, especially if you need an odd set of days off or something where with line bidding you probably wouldn't have a line that suits your needs. If you're junior it sucks because you're stuck with all the trips that wouldn't work on anyone else's line and the program is forced to cram your schedule with whatever works, regardless of your bid options.

joek 08-14-2015 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 1949080)
Instead of the company manually building each line and pilots bidding on the lines they want, a computer program has all the trips in one giant pool and starting at pilot #1 looks at what bid preferences they want (days off, start/end time, layover city, etc) and build them a line. Then it moves on to pilot 2, 3, etc. PBS is great if you're senior because you can get pretty much any line you want, especially if you need an odd set of days off or something where with line bidding you probably wouldn't have a line that suits your needs. If you're junior it sucks because you're stuck with all the trips that wouldn't work on anyone else's line and the program is forced to cram your schedule with whatever works, regardless of your bid options.

Thank you, Sir

schmohawk 08-14-2015 06:40 AM

PBS would be really tough on those DEC

cartean 08-14-2015 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by schmohawk (Post 1949120)
PBS would be really tough on those DEC


Not really. They be on reserve either way.

buddies8 08-14-2015 09:39 AM

Pbs stinks

Slim11 08-14-2015 12:37 PM

PBS benefits the company more than anything. The only individuals unaffected by the use of PBS are those who are #1 in their respective seats and bases.

I've used PBS and have also bid hard lines. Hard lines are better for the crew members.

IceManCRJ 08-14-2015 03:30 PM

PBS sounds like a way for the company to get rid of SAP.


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BrewCity 08-14-2015 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by IceManCRJ (Post 1949436)
PBS sounds like a way for the company to get rid of SAP.


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Ding Ding Ding!

chrisreedrules 08-14-2015 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by IceManCRJ (Post 1949436)
PBS sounds like a way for the company to get rid of SAP.


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Yea... My thoughts are that the company is going to bill it as being a benefit to all the pilots when in reality, it only benefits those most senior. Jr line holders will suffer the most. And it would mean less trips to pick up in open time and less flying for those on reserve. Also heard that the company is trying to get us to start doing 5 day trips. I know they have tried to get some of the check airmen to do 5 day IOE trips, but rumor is they are going to push that as well. The way I see it, the company is going to be asking for a whole helluva lot without wanting to give much back in return. And they still haven't met with the NC about the increase in SSP.

And in reality, I think PBS is also a partial answer to the perceived future staffing issues we (and ALL regional airlines) will have next year. The truth is, it is going to take a miracle to staff all the new airplanes until 2017. The math just doesn't work. There aren't enough pilots. Now if we see some more consolidation and maybe some airlines going out of business and their pilots hitting the streets (as unfortunate as that would be) I think it remains a possibility. We are fat on pilots right now, but will we be in a year?


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