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Slim11 08-06-2015 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1944477)
Does cvg as a base have any ties to targeting old comair pilots that live there? Making a base there seems easy to attract more from out of the woods...

Maybe. I'm former Comair but prefer DAY to CVG. There are lots of former Comair pilots and F/As who went to PSA immediately and are well positioned relative to DAY or CVG. Some of the DECs are former Comair as well.

I think it has more to do with what AAG wants to do. There is available hangar space, office and crew room space on Concourse A and CVG is well positioned relative to ORD, DFW, PHL, CLT and the NYC area. Like STL and BNA, staging airplanes from there will be an easy thing to do. The cost of living is something to be considered as well. These costs are higher in ORD, NYC, PHL and roughly equal to DFW. I don't know about the CLT area.

With DL continuing to shrink itself in CVG, the airport authority is actively looking for other airlines to come in and replace DL where they are abandoning markets. Allegiant is increasing its CVG presence as is Frontier.

TallFlyer 08-06-2015 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1944471)
I've heard the same. And honestly, I'm not sure why anyone expected any meaningful increase in our SSP... The company simply can't afford to lose pilots at an increasing rate right now.

I think that the reality is that they're going to loose pilots anyway. If there's no change in the SSP you've reduced the incentive for people to stay and the attrition happens anyway.

chrisreedrules 08-06-2015 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1944528)
I think that the reality is that they're going to loose pilots anyway. If there's no change in the SSP you've reduced the incentive for people to stay and the attrition happens anyway.

I agree... Quite a few from my class have upgraded/are in upgrade right now, and several have left for greener pastures already. Lots of attrition from the FO side right now it would seem. There is some CA attrition, but many that I talk to seem content to wait for the SSP to reach them in a year or two's time. I've heard that the number of DECs applying is dwindling and that our FOs on property are mostly choosing to bypass upgrade. Therefore, the company doesn't want to lose any more CAs at this time than it has to. And even if the company increased the SSP two-fold, it still isn't that attractive impo. This industry is going to change so much by the time a person getting hired on now would even be eligible for it I think it is a moot point. Come to PSA for a quick upgrade for the next couple years. Come to PSA if one of our bases is an easy commute for you. Don't come here for the SSP. If you want to flow to American, go to Piedmont. If you want to upgrade quickly, and move on to something better more quickly, come to PSA. Simple as that.

gold 08-06-2015 03:05 PM

If I was in charge, I would push for a maintenance and crew base in DCA or another hub and close the outstation bases.

TalkTurkey 08-06-2015 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by gold (Post 1944730)
If I was in charge, I would push for a maintenance and crew base in DCA or another hub and close the outstation bases.

It's just like a PSA person to screw over even your own peeps.

chrisreedrules 08-06-2015 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by gold (Post 1944730)
If I was in charge, I would push for a maintenance and crew base in DCA or another hub and close the outstation bases.

While I don't think we should close any of the current bases, I do think another hub base would go a long way to attracting new hires in the future.

FlexNinja 08-06-2015 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1944477)
Does cvg as a base have any ties to targeting old comair pilots that live there? Making a base there seems easy to attract more from out of the woods...

As a potential recruit for PSA, CVG is turning me away. I know that theres never any guarantee in this career, but I was really holding out for the BNA base. At this point, I may end up going to Endeavor and make 20k more per year with the same commute. Im trying to decide if SAP is worth 20k. Currently Endeavor's training department is flowing good, with very little delay. And they have a SSP to Delta... am I off base here?

Waitingformins 08-06-2015 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by FlexNinja (Post 1944807)
As a potential recruit for PSA, CVG is turning me away. I know that theres never any guarantee in this career, but I was really holding out for the BNA base. At this point, I may end up going to Endeavor and make 20k more per year with the same commute. Im trying to decide if SAP is worth 20k. Currently Endeavor's training department is flowing good, with very little delay. And they have a SSP to Delta... am I off base here?

I wouldn't hold out for any company. Also CVG wont be the only base opening if it does open they have 60+ more planes coming and its to small for that many. The others are pretty much full, so I would bet if they don't open a hub base they will have to open at least 2 outstation bases. Commuting to rsv on a one hour flight is worse than commuting on a 5 hour flight to a line. I've talked to a couple of PSA guys who turned down AA for SAP, but there's lifers at every regional.
IMO I wouldn't go to Endeavor because your just inheriting what so many 7-8 year FO's left, that's why the bonus is there. To me, its pretty much an admission that no good things will happen there for such a long time.
Right now, I would look very hard at Piedmont, then PSA, if your 6 months or more away from ATP mins I would look at Eagle, by then you may be able to see past the horizon over there.

AWAC and Go-jets contracts run out before your next CFI renewal
You'll draw social security before you upgrade at XJT
RAH is circling the drain, so far this year
If your currently employed, your making more than you will at Mesa

Other than AAG WO's , that leaves SKW, Compass, and TSA. of those three I believe Compass's AA contract is shorter than your upgrade there will be so that's out.
Pretty much leaves Tsa or skw, 6-1 half dozen to the other, or Horizon if you live in the Pacific northwest.

JohnnyDingus 08-06-2015 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by FlexNinja (Post 1944807)
As a potential recruit for PSA, CVG is turning me away. I know that theres never any guarantee in this career, but I was really holding out for the BNA base. At this point, I may end up going to Endeavor and make 20k more per year with the same commute. Im trying to decide if SAP is worth 20k. Currently Endeavor's training department is flowing good, with very little delay. And they have a SSP to Delta... am I off base here?

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The SAP is broken as of now. It's infective for most unless you are the lucky few who get trades in right at opening. But a lot of endeavor folks came over to PSA. We haven't hired many FO's since may. The training bubble is dissipate due to lack of hiring and no more back up.

I hear AWAC has language for 700's. There is hope there. PDT would be good too

TalkTurkey 08-06-2015 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by FlexNinja (Post 1944807)
As a potential recruit for PSA, CVG is turning me away. I know that theres never any guarantee in this career, but I was really holding out for the BNA base. At this point, I may end up going to Endeavor and make 20k more per year with the same commute. Im trying to decide if SAP is worth 20k. Currently Endeavor's training department is flowing good, with very little delay. And they have a SSP to Delta... am I off base here?

I think PSA is a better bet for you if you're young.


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