Originally Posted by PSAJOBS (Post 1971786)

I already posted nothing but a passing conversation about Aspen here at PSA. Nothing submitted to the FAA nor any immediate plans to.

If you come today to PSA with more than 700 hours 121 time you will upgrade as soon as you have 300 hours at PSA. I'm in the staffing meetings.

Your math is off by two aircraft. We will have 150, 61 more to go.

Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1971775)

Try AAGs obsession with Aspen. It's a huge money maker, that's why. And they just expanded service from ORD on top of DFW and LAX. If it comes to pulling out of Aspen all together or not giving PSA all the CRJ 700s I wonder which way that will go.

Originally Posted by Theonemarine (Post 1971790)

I never said you did. By "you guys" I meant the ENY guys. That's my point, I don't think it's that important to you as management, me on the line, or anyone else at PSA wether we go to Aspen or not.

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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1971761)

I will inform you. PSA has currently 86 aircraft with 24 more 900 options and another 38 Envoy CRJs left to transfer. In the end that will give you a fleet count of 148 aircraft. You already have 86 of them, you still have 62 more to go. And that's IF you still get ALL of envoys CRJS. Aspen plus your ability to staff all that flying will be the deciding factor. But let's say you do. A total fleet count of 148 and staffing of 11 pilots per aircraft gives you a total need for 1628 active line pilots. Call it 1800 to have 150 work in the training/recruiting/company. You guys currently have close to 1200 active pilots. You need another 600. Anyone coming through the door today at PSA is going to be in the bottom 33% of the seniority list. That means you are hiring long term FOs at this point. With no flow, and an interview of 4 a month, which I hear last month didn't go well for 2 individuals interviewing, then that means there is going to be a very long upgrade for anyone coming through the door once this place stagnates and settles down with its final pilot count. And even if you are loosing 10 Captains a month to the majors, you are still looking at a 3 plus year upgrade for anyone hired today. I mean with your training center, it will take 7 or 8 months just to get through IOE. And then with SAP not working out like it should, being a bottom FO on reserve not flying much, it might take 3 years just to get the 1000 SIC from date of hire.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1971796)

Your math doesn't take into account attrition or the possibility of more of the 900 options being exercised for us. Half of my class have upgraded or left. Half. And as we approach the 2020's, the reality that we are indeed facing a pilot shortage will be painfully evident. CAs will be getting hired left and right from every regional. So what if a new hire doesn't upgrade within 2 years here in the coming future? They will still enjoy great quality of life for one more year as a senior FO. And as the freight train that is attrition continues to build steam, there will be more and more movement off the top, creating movement and opportunities for all. PSA is still growing almost two-fold through 2017 and if you combine that with attrition, you will see that anyone coming here will experience a relatively quick upgrade and at the worst, good qol as a senior FO.

Originally Posted by PSAJOBS (Post 1971804)

Excellent post. If you come here with 1500 hrs, no 121 time figure 20 months to upgrade.

Originally Posted by PSAJOBS (Post 1971792)

Sorry, I was responding to 3green through your post. My apologies.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1971796)

Your math doesn't take into account attrition or the possibility of more of the 900 options being exercised for us. Half of my class have upgraded or left. Half. And as we approach the 2020's, the reality that we are indeed facing a pilot shortage will be painfully evident. CAs will be getting hired left and right from every regional. So what if a new hire doesn't upgrade within 2 years here in the coming future? They will still enjoy great quality of life for one more year as a senior FO. And as the freight train that is attrition continues to build steam, there will be more and more movement off the top, creating movement and opportunities for all. PSA is still growing almost two-fold through 2017 and if you combine that with attrition, you will see that anyone coming here will experience a relatively quick upgrade and at the worst, good qol as a senior FO.

Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 1971848)

Good Lord old man, need to learn a thing or two about using a computer.