I disagree that anything has been covered.

Could you post a side by side comparison of each contract? Do you have any idea what is actually in PSA's, or TSA's contract and what makes them so "bad" or are you just following the internet herd in chastising us?

PSA pilots have industry leading QoL due to schedule flexibility, as well as comparable pay to the "good" regionals. I fail to see how that "brings the industry down."

Covered pretty well? I've read a lot of PSA bashing on here for the last year or so, but I have not once seen someone actually post ONE fact that shows PSA's contract below industry average. Even if the upgrades stop and I top out at 4 year FO pay, it will still be above average for a regional. I think it's easy to pick on PSA but I doubt you know the specifics of the contract. I may be new to the 121 world but I've been reading these boards pretty religiously for the last 3 years and that's why I chose to come to PSA regardless of "how bad" others think the contract is. The growth at PSA played a role in my decision to come here also, but the fact is that even if the music stops and upgrade goes to 5 years there is really only 2 other regionals I would give the time of day. Any airline you go to is a gamble, but it's wise to take the facts given and give yourself the best chance of moving up. Maybe PSA doesn't work out the way everybody thinks, but right now the facts are in my favor.

It's not that your contract is below average, but maybe below what the Envoy guys would like their to be.. so they voted no twice and now they have an even lesser last deal on the table. The 12 year rates proposed for PDT, compress into less years the same max rates that existed for 18 years on the older contract. Better pay sooner, if actually stop to look at it.
Then there's the resentment that some may have accepted airplanes stolen from them.. somebody's gotta do it. They are having challenges staffing up, other aren't.

That's not the issue. The issue is that PSA took concessions on an already good contract in order to secure new flying. It sets a new standard that in order to get more flying, pilots should be willing to take concessions. Where does it end? At what point has it gone too far? The reason why Eagle is in their corner is directly because of PSA. If PSA didn't set the precedence, then Eagle would not be having to take concessions to stay alive. You are directly responsible for Eagle, PDT, and who knows who else in the future having a diminished QoL and smaller paychecks.

If PSA had voted no, they would have been shut down by now and their airplanes would be at Mesa.

If PSA would have voted no Envoy's situation would be the same. AMR now AAG was trying to sell or spinoff American Eagle 3 years ago. They've been trying to get rid of Eagle and this is their way of doing it. If PSA would have voted no Envoy's CRJs would STILL be leaving. Maybe not to PSA, but they would be going to someone else none the less. And the ERJs would still be going to trans states and express jet. PSA's vote did not change the future of Envoy. It might have changed where Envoy's planes are going, but it did not change the fate of Envoy.

you actually have little to no idea of what you speak of. the bold has been for over twenty years every time there is a contract negotiation.

Go to TSA. The PSA ladies voted in a contract that stabbed the regional industry in the back and are the main reason that guys at Envoy are losing their jobs, families, livelihoods and leaving the industry for good. They're spineless. Go to an airline that doesn't have a pilot group that is shameful. Consider Compass, Skywest or TSA.

+1

Most mainline airlines want 80k+ lbs MTOW jet experience and the Ejets qualify. Don't waste you time with those little 145/CRJ corporate looking jets unless that's all you can handle.

Urban legend..

Majors like to see some TPIC, but some are hiring straight F/Os.

How's the experience flying a F-16 or A-10 any less valuable than CRJ/ERJ time in a structured CRM environment? It's not, both are getting hired.

The bar is going to continue to slide anyway.

I'm pretty sure all these comments about ejets are jokes. I can't imagine a major airline caring if it was a 50 mtow or 89k mtow jet. Transport category aircraft are transport category aircraft.

They're just lying to themselves to help them sleep better at night.

Psa voted no twice before. In 2007 and 2011. Both times airplanes went to Mesa.

They don't... A good majority of my class at a major had only E145 or CRJ2 time.
He was joking.

What was the ratio of CAs vs FOs (TPIC) in that group?

You get paid better or you work harder? You don't seem very bright, our pay rated is higher. Anyone can pick up open time and make money. Good luck getting 16-17 days off a month consistently..

By the way I make more than your captains do....ya prick

Oh yea my QOL and Travel benfits are way better too!

That's nice to know..

You do have us on the days off though. True story. Most you'll get here is 12 unless you're top 5. :o

I make $41.59 as a year 4 FO...what do you make?

41.60 boom

Cool 3rd grade insult. Also, I'm very bright. I have paper hanging on my wall that proves it. Any other eToughness you'd like to try and make me cower over?

Oh ya well we make more than your mom does! So there, seriously though are you like 4?

Haha what is it a high school diploma?

If you're going to call someone dumb, at least try to write a real sentence.

Hmmmm I would say 6 had no TPIC then maybe about 10 regional Capts. A couple were cargo (Evergreen and World), a couple corporate and the rest Military. Class was about 30.

Man, regional pilots blaming each other for their issues... Exactly what the CEO's want.. PSA hates Mesa because we were going to take their airplanes, Envoy hates PSA... Wait, lets be real here, Envoy hates everyone else who is not Envoy... I care about Envoy as much as they care about me, which is zilch. A street hire captain at PSA is sounding pretty good...

I'm dumber from reading this page. And THAT is saying something.

From reading this page, or were you dumb already for deciding to spend a fortune on pilot training, eat dung for 3 or 4 years building your time, only to enter at the ground floor of this circus, probably going to end up as a lifer at a regional?

I'm even dumberrer now after reading the post above.

This thread is almost two months old but still a very relevant question for new hires looking for opinions from current 121 pilots. Me...Military pilot commuting from MI just looking for honest opinions. Thanks

Choose the place with the easiest commute from Michigan. Pay and upgrade are similar. One flies E-145 50 seater and the other flies CRJ-200,700,900 50 and 76 seaters. Your goal should be the place that gets you into class fastest and the best commute. Unless you have skeletons in your closet, you'll be picked up by a major before you upgrade to Captain.

Thanks! No skeletons just low time because my base lost our jets. Leaning more towards TSA, class date in less than a month

If you have any questions about TSA training, PM me and I'll answer what I can. For what it's worth, I left one of the so called "good" regionals to come here and so far I don't regret it.

What base?

I would agree with the others: pick the path of least commute. What about Compass or even Endeavor? a DTW base would be good for you. Like others have said, if you are ex military with no skeletons, you'll be at a major in no time so upgrade times and other things pertinent to the average regional new hire are of less concern to you right now.

Thanks for your service (Ex-AF Driver)

My squadron has pilots that are FOs for both Compass just announced their closing DTW and the Endeavor FO has moved up 4 spots in 8 months at LGA.
I'm MI ANG, thanks for your service and insight

Copy thank you!

I left republic for TSA...start IOE sunday...throw any q's at me

Compass is definitely closing the DTW base. DTW is expected to go Jr at 9E and with a $20k/year bonus, i'd think that is your best bet. No need for you to chase upgrade times being prior mil

Thank you for your service as well

If it were me I would chose PSA. If you already have the mins to upgrade then you will do so in about 6-7 months. You will spend about 2 months in training. 1.5-2 months waiting on IOE at home while getting paid. Then come off IOE with a line and upgrade in 3-4 months. If you do the TSA thing then great you get to log a little PIC time when they let you fly in the left seat but again you are scheduling's puppet on both the CA side and the FO side for a long time. You will be getting paid less over the course of your first year at TSA and not have the QOL that the contract has at PSA. Just my 2 cents.