PSA or TSA
 

I have a class date in February for PSA and just interviewed as well for TSA. I'm thinking about changing and going to TSA instead for their CQFO program as I meet the requirements transferring from another 121 regional.

Which airline will have the quickest upgrade? Also, can't find a TSA contract to compare with PSA, does anyone have a TSA contract they care to share?

Don't go to a place just for one specific thing. Would you go to Tsa if they didn't have a cqfo program? Psa is a better option I think because of the amount of brand new planes coming. Where do you live?

I would say PSA. TSA's growth is all E145's. The music will stop on those airplanes at some point. Ask yourself if you get stuck somewere were would it be.. Thats what i did when i left Eagle..

I'd go a company that's getting mainline Ejet aircraft. That under the wing jet time is pretty much worth twice E-145/CRJ200 time.

Ok.. What about the 50 firm plus 50 options for the MRJ we have.. (Plus 50/50 E2 Jets) Our contract is waaaay better! We make more flying a 50 seater than most places flying 70+ seat rj's. Run run run for the shiny jets..! Please..

Lol! I would work for half of what I'm doing now just to have engines on the wing and a lav up front!!

Go where you don't have to commute to work.

TSA crew bases are ORD, IAD, STL and DEN (soon, if not opened yet) and PSA crew bases are TYS, DAY and CLT. What's the cost of living? If you don't want to relocate, how is the commute?

I've flown the CRJs and the EMB-145. My preference is the CRJ. That's probably due to substantially more experience on the CRJs. Good luck!

I think the consensus is that the quick upgrades are now over at PSA for a person who would walk through the door into training today- ie you may be too late for a quick upgrade if that is what you were looking for.

If you are looking at anything beyond 5-10 years when it comes to regional airlines you are reading tea leaves. Who's to say in 5-10 years a new flavor of the month is more appealing to American than PSA and they don't start losing aircraft? Keep in mind a lot of the Aircraft PSA is getting are being transferred from somebody else. Contracts are made to be broken and if American is willing to transfer planes to PSA, they can be transferred away as well. Just like planes are being transferred to TSA now. Bottom line, go for what makes financial sense. First priority is getting to work, then pay rates. Contracts are pretty similiar but our pay rates are a little better at TSA and we don't have caps. SAP at PSA is nice but we get 150% for all open time pickups. Should be lots of incentive pay out there everywhere as the shortage of pilots escalate.

1. Avoid commuting.
2. QOL & pay (not just 1st year).
3. Avoid bottom feeder companies; help us set the bar higher.
4. Look at the big picture on the above 3.

Avoid step 3 if you want to see progression .

Aren't they all bottom feeders? Every one of them has negative qualities that can be pointed out easily.

Pick the one that has what is important to you. Commuting to work, especially on reserve, can cost thousands of dollars a year. For me, I chose somewhere that I could live in base. That alone makes up for another one paying a few more nickels an hour in pay.

QoL, schedule, work rules, and domicile/commuting all mean much more to me than the differences in pay. If the differences in pay were substantial, it would be different, but they aren't.

Neither. Both are awful..

What a useful, thought-out, intelligent, helpful addition....:rolleyes:

Do you have specific reasons, with sources to site?

Do you have an alternate suggestion for him? With specific, factual reasons why your suggestion might be better?

Have you worked at either one? Perhaps you could share your first hand experiences.

Do you have any idea, at all, what you are talking about?

Still crying over there.

Last time I checked Holdings hadn't decided which subsidiary those MRJ's or EJet V2's were going too, if they even get them. Ide hate for someone to make career decision on something that may never come to fruition....

Trans States get the first 10 MRJs.

To fly for who? Hulas will sell the delivery slots for a profit.

It takes time and money to get a new airplane added to your certificate. It's not like scalping baseball tickets out on the corner of Carnegie and Ontario. I'm sure some thought went into acquiring these airplanes.

Not what we've heard lately. Company reps have been back and forth to Japan since the rollout. Planes are definetely coming to TSA, they have a way to solve the weight issue, and they are hoping to beat the current deliversy schedule by six months.

eny pilots will pass their TA. Sorry fellas.


Good Luck.

Nope. They are all subcontractors, but not all bottom feeders. A bottom feeder outfit will keep lowering the bar until it's so low you can step right over it. Undercut after undercut, to get new shiny jets and the ones who hold the line & refuse to take concessions get the short end of the stick. Look at the big picture boys.

I wasn't aware that SAPA had become a full-fledged union.

If someone starts January 5th. What do you all think the upgrade time
Would be?

It's all in the eye of the beholder. To some mainline people we are all bottom feeders who are stealing their flying.

Lol your contract is not better and I make more money sorry buddy but enjoy your MRJ's whenever you get em

If we are talking PSA, if you don't have the 1000 hours right now, probably 2-3 years but likely closer to 2.

TSA probably 6-12 months.

I have 560 hours 121 SIC.

Yes I was talking about PSA. I have a class date of Jan 5th.
Lateral move from XJT.. Getting nervous people are saying the quick upgrade has already past

You mean the plane that is yet to fly?

Do you tell everyone you fly for mainline? I know I get paid better than all your FOs

Upgrades will be less than 2 years for many years to come. You are in a good position, much better than at XJT. You will have guaranteed attrition ahead of you to AA and there are still 40 options on new airplanes. Get your 1,000 SIC time as fast as you can and you will leapfrog people senior to you. Those that are saying the quick upgrades are over do not know what they are talking about. With the exception of a few places, short upgrades will be the norm at most regionals without a bunch of lifers and no flow/pref hiring agreements. Just concentrate your energy on training and don't worry about the upgrade.

You might not upgrade in 8 months like people hired earlier this year but slightly less than or right on 2 years is almost a certainty unless something happens to the 700s we are slated for in June.

Undoubtedly you will upgrade faster at either place than at XJT. With only 500 hours you can't have been there for more than a yearish, I'd say you have nothing to lose.

TSA might be faster if you already had the 1000 SIC, as you do not I'd say the upgrade time at both places would be near identical(as soon, or soon after you are legally qualified)

How do you know you get paid better?

Don't say because your pay-rate is higher either.

Because my pay rate is better and I'm crediting 120 hours each month

Ok, and that is sustainable long term? How many days off are you getting?

Where do you work and how long have you been there for?

Thanks guys I appreciate the help. I've been at xjt 8 months. Between them stopping hiring and then Dulles closing im not any closer to holding a line and upgrade is 8-10 years if they start hiring again.

No complaints on contract or the company and love living in base but need to be able to upgrade to make better money untill like everyone can hopefully make it to the Big 3 or a good LCC

I've been crediting over 95 for 6 months and I've been here a year. Point being, no one should assume they make more than anyone else because of perceived advantages. Someone at each airline is not breaking guarentee.

Seems like you work a lot and for not very much money. I have been getting at least 18 days off every month so that I can make more money and grow my business while seeing my kids grow up. Even at $45 an hr 120 hrs of pay isn't that much money for all the time away and work you do, I'm glad I learned that lesson years ago. Much happier with multiple incomes and flying only 65 hrs.

Well, on first year pay I think it's safe to say you cannot be making more money than ALL our FOs, unless you are at a legacy or LCC.

How many days off are you getting? to some, time is money.

Regardless, especially on the FO side I'm sure we are arguing over a very small amount of money anyway.

Well... If people would look at and compare contracts they would see the difference. Not going to sit here and post all the reasons. It's been covered pretty well... Besides PSA has done nothing but bring this industry down by voting in the contract they did.