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The Envoy pilots are a whipped and beaten pilot group. Like a puppy that is tied up in the back yard and beaten with a stick every day, they bite at anyone every chance that they get. They can't stand to see that they were wrong and ended up with a much worse deal than they would have otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 2020230)

PSA pilots did not take a pay cut. But don't let facts get in your way.

What's 12/4? Oohhg but but nobody here will EVER see that, I've heard that one before

I apologize to anyone that actually wanted to get some decent into from this thread, it's a shame that this is the way regionals are these days....we're not happy until everyone else is unhappy...bunch of **** measuring contests.

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Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2020276)

They didn't get a worse deal. They held out and received a $12,500 bribe, which they accepted, therein passing-on a "worse deal" to their successors, (a.k.a. "new hires"). But hey, you're not a scab if you take a bribe and crap on those below you.

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Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 2020282)

What's 12/4? Oohhg but but nobody here will EVER see that, I've heard that one before

It's not a "pay cut". It's a "pay cap",..... just like Delta has,..... just like United has,........ just like AA has. Learn the difference, junior.

For the record the PSA guys aren't Scabs either. That word is used way to much. I dont agree with what the PSA guys did, but they aren't scabs.

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Originally Posted by DETSports (Post 2020285)

It's APC... What does anyone really expect? It's like the bathroom stall of airline pilot forums.

Envoy guys are the first to jump up and down and call people names, and expect pilots at other regionals to fall on their sword to benefit Envoy.

Once you get to APA, you will realize that we are looking for people who are realistic and place their frustrations accordingly. If you had any maturity at all, you would be mad at AAG for screwing you and creating this situation to begin with.

It is like the beaten dog blaming the stick, rather than the man holding the stick. For the love of God, get your facts and priorities straight.

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Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 2020227)

As they should, however care enough not to leave your predecessors with a giant pile of fecal matter.

What fecal matter are you referring to?

Please consider the massive contract gains that have been made at regionals in the past year or two.

Seems to me the PSA vote meant nothing.

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Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2020295)

........ For the love of God, get your facts and priorities straight.

Ok. Here are the facts:

1(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new CRJ 900 jets in exchange for concessions. PSA Pilots say no, and those jets went to Mesa.
1(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170 jets in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no, and those jets went to Compass.

2(a) Parker offers PSA pilots new jets in exchange for concessions. PSA pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.
2(b) Parker offers Envoy pilots new E-170's in exchange for concessions. Envoy pilots say no and Parker sent those jets to Republic.

3(a) Parker again offers new CRJ 900's to PSA pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. PSA pilots took the deal.
3(b) Parker again offers new E-170's to Envoy pilots in exchange for concessions, with the caveat that the airline would be shut down if they said no again. Envoy pilots took the deal.

So as we can clearly see, it's ok for Envoy pilots to take a deal in order to save their jobs,....... but it's not ok for PSA pilots to take that same deal in order to save THEIR jobs.