How about trying to email JK first since he's Chair of the Scheduling Committee and go from there.

Oh wait, he might be too busy working as a recruiter too, nvm.....

Did you ever make it out to the MEC meeting in DAY last week?

Oh how very true. Our recruiters are a joke and a bunch of liars, almost as bad as management.

I don't care who you email, but call/email someone. Complaining on forums doesn't do much. 200+ emails in someone's inbox of people fed up with this SAP bs would wake someone up. And if not then it becomes official that we have no union.

Why bother? The apathy at this airline is at an unbelievable level. No one gives a flying f&@k. Just call in sick. 20 cancelled flights will get a lot more attention than even 1000 emails.

Stay far away from this place unless you want to feel like a caged animal!!

Is this really the case nowadays?

I believe this very much

Yes. It is.

No why?

filler

This is the response:
CS: 100 in 672 Flight Time Buffer on 25JUN,>100 FLT HRS IN 672 (Skd/Act) on 25JUN

was actually trying to drop hours from what i've got, i'm so confused

Classic.

This just demonstrates the inept lunacy of the SAP program. But the programmers from Sabre, (i.e. AAG) say it's working just fine!

I just wanted to see if you figured out a way to voice your opinion that was actually productive.

Just because the trip may have had less hours in total doesn't mean you wouldn't trigger a 117 buffer like that. If the first day or two of the trip you were trying to trade into had more hours than the trip you were trying to drop you could still trigger that denial.

Not saying that's actually what happened, but it is plausible.

Most worthless SAP I've ever seen, and never a heard from the union or company. Looks like gun slinging TR has already been whipped by the company. This place is the biggest joke in aviation.

Yea this one was kind of the enigma for me. Good high credit/commutable trips in open time, but I didn't snag a single one. I literally had over 50 denials (so was I working the SAP or did the SAP work me?). I'm either going to end up with a 100 hour line and 9 days off or a 90 hour line and 11 days off. Still waiting for a couple requests to process. I can usually manage 100+ hours and 11 days off or 65 hours and 18 off but this time just didn't work out great for me. I'd be SAPin down to 65 and picking up more shifts at my second job if it weren't slow right now. The wife just told me a couple months ago that she was starting back school and was signed up for classes. So that means I have to work more.

Ahh yes, lay in the bed of dog $hit that you all made and like it. You all deserve it

Oh wow this one is even better �� When you only think about yourself, things like this happen in the long term

I would have better words to tell you but my professional integrity wont allow me to stoop to your level.

But hey whatever helps you sleep at night Mr. God's gift to aviation ;)

The only reason Endeavor has what it has now is because 500+ left in 5 months. The only reason they got more is because they need to bring the 200's back for a while to cover the Republic flying. Anyone who thinks Delta is opening the wallet out of the kindness of their hearts is sniffing glue. Endeavor is probably a good spot for a young new hire right now, but wait till Delta onboards those 75 new narrowbodies. The lateral movement, which I was a part of that 500, only perpetrates the bonuses. If and big if PSA experiences a max exodus then Doug & friends will probably do what Delta did. I'd bring up Delta's history with contractors, but then someone will tell me times are different now.

As far as the SAP goes, that's a union issue to which I say, what union? Our MEC should be embarrassed with how it's own Pilot group feels about them. Spare me the arbitration talk and that being the only path to any resolution. Quit signing LOA's that bail the company out. They will take as much rope as you give them. Wouldn't you?

It's really none of your business. If you want to concern yourself with productive things just do your job and stop kissing the company's but.

Do you like wieners?

After messaging pilots on the board I have came to the conclusion PSA recruiters are not telling the full truth. Thanks to those who have messaged me and answered questions. I will NOT be joining the PSA ranks as there are way better options. Thanks for the help guys and gals!

I would say you have made a wise choice. Had a PSA guy on the JS a couple days ago. It was insane the amount of stuff he was going on about over there. Unreal, but not surprising given they, basically, are being managed by AA who are 100% clueless.

Ok.

Filler

Yes, so that's why I say why bother? Why bother with contacting the useless PSA union that will just tell you to fly it and grieve it then open their mouths for PSA. Why bother with SAP an staying up all night trying for trades? Just deny the trip and/or call in sick, worst case scenario you have to go to Endeavor and get a 20k a year raise.

I understand and acknowledge that endeavor and Delta Are not doing anything they are doing out of the goodness of their hearts, but the difference is they are doing something whereas Dougie and crew are trying to keep it as cheap as they can for as long as they can and we have no idea how long that will be and in the meantime our union seems more than willing to help them with there goal.

Fly it and grieve it, hotels "should" be here in June just like the DAY crew room "should" be ready 1 May and upgrade "should" be 1 year and flow"should" be 5 years.

You all tried to sell everyone else out for your own benefit and it's not really working, you did it to yourself. Enjoy that, I hope the whippings continue

You are mean!

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooh! Scary!

Grow up...

A year ago when we were talking to people interested in coming to PSA things were different.

The FOs that really want to upgrade quickly should start selling the company to all their friends and help get the classes full again. You're only hurting your own prosperity by constantly scaring potential new hires away. Empty classes will not result in major contractual improvements, the union has sold false hope if you believe that. American will not spend more than what they consider a competitive market rate. Empty new hire classes results in stagnation for everyone on the list, just ask the guys at Envoy.

Come they said. It'll be fun they said.


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Wow. Lie to potential new hires for you own personal gain.

Ethics. It's a thing.

Kinda like management

Speaking of endeavor it was nice waking up to another 7k bonus! As a fo I made 70k last year and on track to make 80k this year as a fo. Come on over!!! 24 month upgrade.

I'm real. In real life outside of mommy's basement, your actions and choices have consequences. You should of thought further ahead

Call it what you want, I sincerely believe PSA is a good option for a low-time 1500 hour pilot but that's a matter of opinion.

As of today, it's a fact upgrade times are still under 2.5 years and the company is still running upgrade classes. A 2.5 year upgrade is still good for someone with zero prior 121 time.

You're just making your Endeavor buddies that bailed for PSA feel guilty about their poor decision.

My actions were good and executed at the perfect time. I'm not an FO. I was able to take advantage of the quick upgrade

First year pay?

First year you could easily make 60 plus