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Old 02-26-2007 | 08:05 AM
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skyhigh, i think your situation may be more unique than the majority of the working public. My fiance' is a teacher (as we all know, they're underpaid) but her typical schedule is working everyday of the week, when she gets off work, she's at home grading homework assignments from the five classes that she has, she'll basically get friday night off, and can relax all day saturday. On sunday however, she's making plans for the rest of the upcoming week, making tests, and ensuring that she's got all her homework and tests finally graded to be given back to the kids.

Airline pilots on the other hand are getting a minimum of 2 days off work a week (typically) and often 3...and when we're off, we're off...period. A couple co-workers of mine were making comments on their childhood, saying, their fathers worked, and when their father came home from work, they were typically in bed already. On the weekends (when dad wasn't working) he would be working on the home, or trying his best to recover from the long working week. I know that our job can be tiring at times, but, i typically still have the energy to enjoy myself when i get home on those days off, can relax, and when i finally have a family, will be able to spend that time with them.

With your self-employment you get to work when you want, relax when you want, play when you want, and "live the dream". I highly doubt that anyone would say a person wont make more money being self employed versus working for "the man", just about everyone knows that it's true you'll make more money working for yourself than for anyone else. However, you'll often work longer and hard than anyone else also, and if you fail, your failure can be complete (basically, there's a lot riding on the line, and that can be a dangerous place to position your family)

Also, your constant comment on spending $100k on your aviation education shouldn't be a deterrent from becoming a pilot, but should be the clue to stay away from universities and flight academy's that are going to cost you $100,000 to graduate. Heck, my fiance' has $60k in debt for a career which allows her to take home less money than i do every month. And she's the "highly in demand Math teacher" and still had a hard time finding a job. Grass isn't always greener i guess.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 08:09 AM
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Old 02-26-2007 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Since being out of aviation I have been shocked to discover what the outside world earns for seemingly low rung jobs. Police, fire and UPS delivery men earn a regional captains wage after only a few years. My wife's uncle retired from delivering for UPS for 20 years and is very well off because of it. Last week a family friend accepted a position with a local auto dealership to be a finance specialist. His base is 80K and has the ability to hit 120k through commissions.

In America today we are blessed with a robust and generous university system. More than at any other time it is easy for anyone to get a college degree. Universities, community colleges and technical schools compete for students. All are interested in securing better pay and working conditions, but are they?

When one takes a look at the world of word the results seem puzzling. How is it that a ten year regional airline captain barely bests a UPS delivery guy? Why does a meth addicted construction worker net 43K per year in my area?

The reason is that increasingly people will trade pay and benefits for an interesting sounding job. Currently those with a little ambition and focus look to college for what they think will lead them to a better life and job. Occupations that require some skill and dedication in the blue collar sector are being passed up by people who think the rainbow lies with a higher education.

As the years pass certified plumbers, electricians and telecommunications workers will earn more than airline pilots and lower rung business executives. Hey wait a minute, they already do earn more.

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Plumbers, electricians etc. all start out as apprentices for 5 years, making far less. I fail to see your point. Yes you have earning POTENTIAL in the fields you are saying, but you have that same potential as an airline pilot.

For every car salesman making 80k, I'll find you a used car schmo who is feasting on Raman tonight. EVERY field has a range of incomes. I want to find something that has a higher POTENTIAL income and QOL than what I'm doing now, and that I'd enjoy doing. I think a pilot is a good fit because I enjoy it, and I've been able to "beat the odds" through hard work and networking before.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CE750
Police in the SF Bay Area make anywhere from (after probation) $65,000 to $110,000/yr for regular uniformed police.. The same "Regional" Jet pilot living in the bay area makes the same $60-75K/yr working more hours, longer days, and having invested a good bit more into his training. No offense to any Policemen out there, as I know a few.. it's a job that has it's ups and downs, like many dealing with the public, but in the end, you're home most every day, and you're off 2 days a week or more (if you work long shifts).

There are a few ex-pilot cops out there.. I know one well.
Police in SF make $66K a year but look at the cost of living in California. Thats still nothing compared to what they have to spend on housing, gas and raising a family.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 09:31 AM
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The thing I wouldlike to say about Skyhigh's initial post is that from reading htis post and other airline pilot websits is I see that folks are just centered on being pilots for the rest of their lives. They just want to fly the line. If I do become an airline pilt, I dont just want to be a line pilot for the rest of my life. I would like to eventually be a check airman, chief pilot or management pilot. Thats wher ethe money is. But most people are just content with flying the plane and going home. Dont want the extra headaches.

If I dont become an airline pilot Iwould do something else inaviation like get a masters degree in education and teach aviation at a university or maybe get into law enforcement aviation or maybe get a job with the FAA checking NAV aides. The possibilities are endless when it comes to aviation careers but folks here are stuck on airline flying. One thing I will agree with Skyhigh onis being an airline pilot is not as prestgeous as it used to be but ther eare other pilot careers out there.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by flynavyj

Also, your constant comment on spending $100k on your aviation education shouldn't be a deterrent from becoming a pilot, but should be the clue to stay away from universities and flight academy's that are going to cost you $100,000 to graduate. Heck, my fiance' has $60k in debt for a career which allows her to take home less money than i do every month. And she's the "highly in demand Math teacher" and still had a hard time finding a job. Grass isn't always greener i guess.
Yep, got all my ratings for $27k. Don't know if that's good or bad, but it's a lot less than the oft-mentioned $100k.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 09:53 AM
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whatever you want to say about skyhigh, he does perform a valuable service. The more people he discourages away from being a pilot, the more slots open up for me
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Old 02-26-2007 | 10:05 AM
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There are a lot of KoolAid drinkers on this forum...Skyhigh has legitimate points
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Old 02-26-2007 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Lets not forget that often the "cop" does not have 100K in student loans and looks forwads to a good retirement. And, they also have the ability to work overtime that pilots love to overlook.

Skyhigh
No, but if the cop is working in a big city they have a huge bullseye on their chest. Of course, the little town cops might sit around in the donut shop but going out in an drug/crime infested area where some gangbanger will shoot me in a second is not my idea of an ideal career. I definitely respect people that do this but you really couldn't pay me enough.

Overtime? You all complain about working too much as it is and now you are talking about the ability to work overtime? Ha ha That's pretty funny. A pilot wanting to work 40 hours a week plus overtime. Excuse me, my stomach is hurting from laughing about that.
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Old 02-26-2007 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa
whatever you want to say about skyhigh, he does perform a valuable service. The more people he discourages away from being a pilot, the more slots open up for me
Good point. Good point.
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