Regional or Corporate
02-28-2007, 03:34 AM
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Regional or Corporate
I am currently working for a regional I have two years longevity and looking at upgrade to captain in 1 to 2 years. I have an opportunity to take a corporate job flying as co-captain in a citation. Just looking for some advice. Any would be nice. I enjoy working for the regionals but, the pay is better at the corporate. The negative side is I would only be flying about 200hrs a year and be on call pretty much 24/7. Tell me what you think!
02-28-2007, 03:48 AM
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If your goal is to make it to the majors or whatever good, high paying large equiptment operator is out there, then u should stay where u r...upgrade as quickly as possible and get you PIC time...then hopefully move on...had a bud in this same situation a couple years ago...he is now at UPS...the corp job he was looking into has since gone out of business...good luck
24/7 sucks!
24/7 sucks!
02-28-2007, 05:33 AM
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What type of corporate job is it?
I fly a Citation in part 91 corp ops. For many corporate operators the idea of "24/7 reserve" is more of a misnomer than anything else. Sure- there are the rare occasions when emergencies pop up that need immediate travel. But at good corporate jobs, it's uncommon.
Who are you going to be flying and in what capacity? IE is the flying 100% business, or is there personal travel for owner/executives invovled? If it's 100% business, the likely hood of unexpected trips declines.
See if they have a set policy towards being available/legal to fly- most corporate departments have "on call" periods set in their flight ops manuals. For instance, I am required to be legal and available for duty from 7am until 5pm on Monday through Friday, unless previously notified. Available at my company is loosely defined as fit to fly, and within 50 miles of the airport. There is no specific "report" time, however they want me to make my best effort should something arise (in 18 months of flying, an unexpected trip has come up once).
I left the regionals for a Citation job in 2005 (furloughed). While I miss working with a larger group of people, and I do miss flying a bit more, you quickly grow accustomed to the QOL and schedule that 200 hrs/year brings. We fly (maybe) one trip a week and have very few overnights (I spent 29 nights on the road in 2006, of which 9 were for training in ICT and MCO). Most trips have me home by dinner, which is great for spending time with family/friends.
I think the two biggest things that I miss are travel/jumpseat benefits and working with the wide and diverse body of people that are at the airlines. (I now work for a two pilot operation).
Simply put, if you want to work for a major/legacy airline, stick with the regionals and build time to move on. However I can say that if you land yourself in a good corporate job, you will find it very difficult to go back to the daily grind of the airlines- particularly this day and age.
I fly a Citation in part 91 corp ops. For many corporate operators the idea of "24/7 reserve" is more of a misnomer than anything else. Sure- there are the rare occasions when emergencies pop up that need immediate travel. But at good corporate jobs, it's uncommon.
Who are you going to be flying and in what capacity? IE is the flying 100% business, or is there personal travel for owner/executives invovled? If it's 100% business, the likely hood of unexpected trips declines.
See if they have a set policy towards being available/legal to fly- most corporate departments have "on call" periods set in their flight ops manuals. For instance, I am required to be legal and available for duty from 7am until 5pm on Monday through Friday, unless previously notified. Available at my company is loosely defined as fit to fly, and within 50 miles of the airport. There is no specific "report" time, however they want me to make my best effort should something arise (in 18 months of flying, an unexpected trip has come up once).
I left the regionals for a Citation job in 2005 (furloughed). While I miss working with a larger group of people, and I do miss flying a bit more, you quickly grow accustomed to the QOL and schedule that 200 hrs/year brings. We fly (maybe) one trip a week and have very few overnights (I spent 29 nights on the road in 2006, of which 9 were for training in ICT and MCO). Most trips have me home by dinner, which is great for spending time with family/friends.
I think the two biggest things that I miss are travel/jumpseat benefits and working with the wide and diverse body of people that are at the airlines. (I now work for a two pilot operation).
Simply put, if you want to work for a major/legacy airline, stick with the regionals and build time to move on. However I can say that if you land yourself in a good corporate job, you will find it very difficult to go back to the daily grind of the airlines- particularly this day and age.
02-28-2007, 06:04 AM
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It all depends on the priorities of your professional and personal life.
I enjoy flying airplanes and I like helping get people from Point A to Point B. I take pride in my job and ensuring safe, on-time, friendly customer service. That said, I HATE the BS involved in airline flying. I hate delay-prone airports like LGA and PHL. I hate dealing with company-built parings and lines that are inefficient and completely fail to take into consideration the lives of crewmembers outside of work. I hate the "that's not my job" attitude, missing a commute because the lazy-rampers are too busy watching Monday Night Football, and getting airplanes out of a maintenance base with a bunch of MELs.
As much as it is my dream to work for UPS, if I could find a corporate job near where I want to live that provides decent equipment, fair compensation and vastly improved QOL, I would be on it in an instant. When I was a kid I didn't answer "spend half the month in hotel rooms away from my family" when asked what I wanted to do when I grow up.
Don't mistake this post for bitterness - it is not. Its simply my way of saying figure out what you want out of life and pursue whatever employment will empower you to achieve those goals.
I enjoy flying airplanes and I like helping get people from Point A to Point B. I take pride in my job and ensuring safe, on-time, friendly customer service. That said, I HATE the BS involved in airline flying. I hate delay-prone airports like LGA and PHL. I hate dealing with company-built parings and lines that are inefficient and completely fail to take into consideration the lives of crewmembers outside of work. I hate the "that's not my job" attitude, missing a commute because the lazy-rampers are too busy watching Monday Night Football, and getting airplanes out of a maintenance base with a bunch of MELs.
As much as it is my dream to work for UPS, if I could find a corporate job near where I want to live that provides decent equipment, fair compensation and vastly improved QOL, I would be on it in an instant. When I was a kid I didn't answer "spend half the month in hotel rooms away from my family" when asked what I wanted to do when I grow up.
Don't mistake this post for bitterness - it is not. Its simply my way of saying figure out what you want out of life and pursue whatever employment will empower you to achieve those goals.
02-28-2007, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
It all depends on the priorities of your professional and personal life.
I enjoy flying airplanes and I like helping get people from Point A to Point B. I take pride in my job and ensuring safe, on-time, friendly customer service. That said, I HATE the BS involved in airline flying. I hate delay-prone airports like LGA and PHL. I hate dealing with company-built parings and lines that are inefficient and completely fail to take into consideration the lives of crewmembers outside of work. I hate the "that's not my job" attitude, missing a commute because the lazy-rampers are too busy watching Monday Night Football, and getting airplanes out of a maintenance base with a bunch of MELs.
As much as it is my dream to work for UPS, if I could find a corporate job near where I want to live that provides decent equipment, fair compensation and vastly improved QOL, I would be on it in an instant. When I was a kid I didn't answer "spend half the month in hotel rooms away from my family" when asked what I wanted to do when I grow up.
Don't mistake this post for bitterness - it is not. Its simply my way of saying figure out what you want out of life and pursue whatever employment will empower you to achieve those goals.
I enjoy flying airplanes and I like helping get people from Point A to Point B. I take pride in my job and ensuring safe, on-time, friendly customer service. That said, I HATE the BS involved in airline flying. I hate delay-prone airports like LGA and PHL. I hate dealing with company-built parings and lines that are inefficient and completely fail to take into consideration the lives of crewmembers outside of work. I hate the "that's not my job" attitude, missing a commute because the lazy-rampers are too busy watching Monday Night Football, and getting airplanes out of a maintenance base with a bunch of MELs.
As much as it is my dream to work for UPS, if I could find a corporate job near where I want to live that provides decent equipment, fair compensation and vastly improved QOL, I would be on it in an instant. When I was a kid I didn't answer "spend half the month in hotel rooms away from my family" when asked what I wanted to do when I grow up.
Don't mistake this post for bitterness - it is not. Its simply my way of saying figure out what you want out of life and pursue whatever employment will empower you to achieve those goals.
in the corporate world you'll be doin that with some rich prick screaming in your ear
02-28-2007, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by surfnfly
Why aren't you being payed? I'll gladly pull those throttles allllllll the way back and do racetrack360s all day long - or sit inline behind 30 others trying to get out of Dodge - As long as that door is closed....
in the corporate world you'll be doin that with some rich prick screaming in your ear
in the corporate world you'll be doin that with some rich prick screaming in your ear
I do get paid when we're number 27 of 60 for takeoff in PHL, and as long as ACARS registers a push time its all good. That said, at my airline when we know there is a three hour ground stop or EDCT program we typically don't board up and go sit somewhere just so we can "cha-ching". Better for 50 people to be in a terminal full of amenities than crammed in a pressurized metal tube, wouldn't you say?
And for what it is worth, you have obviously never flown corporate.
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