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Otterbox 08-10-2017 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 2408363)
Welcome to Piedmont. Just curious, did they offer a class date to you? Interested in knowing how far out people are getting class dates at this point.
Last check was August interviews for December/January classes. Folks are regularly getting advanced in classes if they're flexible and willing to be put on a waiting list for an earlier class date.

Goingupinverted 08-12-2017 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 2408363)
Welcome to Piedmont. Just curious, did they offer a class date to you? Interested in knowing how far out people are getting class dates at this point.
Thanks! They offered me November, but I asked to be put on the October waiting list in case I had my hours by then.

CWOMaddog 08-13-2017 10:25 AM
Military Transition Program
 
Congrats to the OP!

Question: are you using the MTP, or paying for your training outright? Does Piedmont still offer their MTP? I wasn't able to find it on their website at all, though it's buried in a January 2017 posting in their "News" section.

Thanks

cali2797 08-13-2017 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2403798)
I'm curious why not PSA? All 3 WOs are a great choice for someone looking at a regional airline but if you can't get the 145 in MIA, then commuting to CLT or DCA will likely be easier than a commute to PHL.

In a nutshell:

PSA: best QOL of the 3 WOs, worst flow language
Piedmont: best flow language of the 3 WOs, bad schedules and only PHL is commutable
Envoy: bad schedules and good flow right now but it will decrease with time, best bases for commuting and 175 (if that's a consideration of yours)

Of the 2 options you've laid out I would go with Envoy IF you may be able to get the 145 in MIA. If not go with Piedmont.
Ummm... Piedmont has the best flow language??? Have you read the flow language? Piedmont’s flow language is not even in the same ballpark as Envoy’s. Who sold you that garbage?

PiedmontFlyer 08-14-2017 02:15 PM
Military Transition Program:
Piedmont Airlines > Military Transition Program

PRS Guitars 08-17-2017 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2408060)
Bro, we have the best flow, you are an AA pilot from the first day at envoy plus we have the E175.
Huh? Please explain what you mean. I've never seen a current Envoy pilot on our (AA) seniority list...

Edit: just realized, maybe you're a troll.

Wink 08-17-2017 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by cali2797 (Post 2409892)
Ummm... Piedmont has the best flow language??? Have you read the flow language? Piedmont’s flow language is not even in the same ballpark as Envoy’s. Who sold you that garbage?
If an Envoy or PSA pilot does not successfully complete training at AA, do they have flow back rights into their former position with seniority? Not trying to start a 'My flow is better than your flow' war, but i believe there to be a little bit of misinformation floating around on our side that one or both other WOs don't have that same protection as we do here at PDT.

I'm not well versed in the ENY flow and believe it's more intricate as it decreases as time continues, but was under the impression ENY and PDT flow times are predicted to be similar within a few months for a new applicant. It really shouldn't be a deal breaker for someone trying to decide between the two in my opinion.

Theaveragejoker 08-20-2017 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2412723)
If an Envoy or PSA pilot does not successfully complete training at AA, do they have flow back rights into their former position with seniority? Not trying to start a 'My flow is better than your flow' war, but i believe there to be a little bit of misinformation floating around on our side that one or both other WOs don't have that same protection as we do here at PDT.

I'm not well versed in the ENY flow and believe it's more intricate as it decreases as time continues, but was under the impression ENY and PDT flow times are predicted to be similar within a few months for a new applicant. It really shouldn't be a deal breaker for someone trying to decide between the two in my opinion.
Piedmont pilots are entitled to their seniority if they separate from AA prior to the completion of OE, for any reason.

ACEssXfer 08-20-2017 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2412723)
If an Envoy or PSA pilot does not successfully complete training at AA, do they have flow back rights into their former position with seniority? Not trying to start a 'My flow is better than your flow' war, but i believe there to be a little bit of misinformation floating around on our side that one or both other WOs don't have that same protection as we do here at PDT.

I'm not well versed in the ENY flow and believe it's more intricate as it decreases as time continues, but was under the impression ENY and PDT flow times are predicted to be similar within a few months for a new applicant. It really shouldn't be a deal breaker for someone trying to decide between the two in my opinion.
I believe the "language" is the same at all 3. The numbers are the only difference.

PSA pilots retain their seniority until after they complete training at AA.

Pedro4President 08-31-2017 06:56 AM
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 2416571)
I believe the "language" is the same at all 3. The numbers are the only difference.

PSA pilots retain their seniority until after they complete training at AA.
Nope. If you fail out of AA you do not get your seniority back at Envoy. If you fail out at AA then there is something wrong with you. We don't want you back. We got rid of a few crazies that way.


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