Pinnacle Contract
03-14-2007, 03:05 PM
#31
Property of Scheduling
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,558
Thats one of the biggest issues is Situational awareness and judgement..... At 170 hours they have none.... When I was a CFI that was my job to teach, babysit and sometimes if necessary spoon feed..... but all my CFI time was done in piston aircraft.... much simpler and slower than a jet and with much higher tolerances than a jet.... Sadly this is the line and while I agree people do need to develope themselves and grow I think a firm background should be required before they get to this level.... Methaphorically would you want a doctor that only has a bachelors or an associates degree no Med school. or would you want a para-legal as your lead council at a murder trial????? I think that the person with the bachelors should be given a chance to grow to be a doctor by going to the proper schools and interning to eventually being send into the world as a doctor. As well as if the para-legal wishes he or she should be able to go to law school.... but until that person has gained the required level of expertise they should not be doing trials and procedures.
I concur...
03-14-2007, 03:26 PM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Red Tail CRJ CA
Posts: 262
Lets see:
You are a no experience pilot and the Captain has up to 50 Souls on Board. The weather is bad, airplane has broke items that affect procedures, lmitations.
You can't find the gear handle with a map.
Can't talk on radio, do not understand the ATC Instructions.
Sure makes sense that the Captain should have as his first priority concern for your feelings, and leading you by the hand through the aviation world.
You may get hiried by a desparate company, just do not expect that people will carry you.
Get some real experience: fly freight, rent an airplane and fly in some night IMC by yourself, then maybe you will be able to hold the gear handle and the radio tuner at the same time.
Make sure you use "Student Pilot Flagship" call-sign.
You are a no experience pilot and the Captain has up to 50 Souls on Board. The weather is bad, airplane has broke items that affect procedures, lmitations.
You can't find the gear handle with a map.
Can't talk on radio, do not understand the ATC Instructions.
Sure makes sense that the Captain should have as his first priority concern for your feelings, and leading you by the hand through the aviation world.
You may get hiried by a desparate company, just do not expect that people will carry you.
Get some real experience: fly freight, rent an airplane and fly in some night IMC by yourself, then maybe you will be able to hold the gear handle and the radio tuner at the same time.
Make sure you use "Student Pilot Flagship" call-sign.
depressingly sadder and truer words never spoken.... but all great points!
03-14-2007, 05:04 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: CRJ CA
Posts: 309
Thats one of the biggest issues is Situational awareness and judgement..... At 170 hours they have none.... When I was a CFI that was my job to teach, babysit and sometimes if necessary spoon feed..... but all my CFI time was done in piston aircraft.... much simpler and slower than a jet and with much higher tolerances than a jet.... Sadly this is the line and while I agree people do need to develope themselves and grow I think a firm background should be required before they get to this level.... Methaphorically would you want a doctor that only has a bachelors or an associates degree no Med school. or would you want a para-legal as your lead council at a murder trial????? I think that the person with the bachelors should be given a chance to grow to be a doctor by going to the proper schools and interning to eventually being send into the world as a doctor. As well as if the para-legal wishes he or she should be able to go to law school.... but until that person has gained the required level of expertise they should not be doing trials and procedures.
03-14-2007, 09:08 PM
#35
Property of Scheduling
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,558
ok ok... we should hear an update tommorrow night on the "payday hotline" I will make sure to plaster the latest and greatest on here. I am very excited about the contract- while it may not happen tommorrow, next week, month, year... Whenever it finally gets TA'd I am sure its going to be good. Those negotiating on the pilot's behalf are playing hardball and are backed up by a pilot group that is very unified. Management also has cards against them b/c not only is the pilot group antsy with em they have already settled with the FA's, big daddy NWA has now given MGMT a deadline- not MGMT telling the pilots "last and final BS". And on top of all of that PNCL MGMT wants to expand under all the banners that it can- hello Colgan- and cannot do anything else until it gets a contract. The contract will slow SOME attrition (mainly at the FO level) and will attract other pilots, as well other main line carriers who see we are professional and (by all accounts) stable. All of these items are prime motivators for MGMT and the PILOTS to get a contract- and a good one at that!
03-14-2007, 10:02 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: SKYW CRJ FO
Posts: 467
What are some current QOL things on your contract? Max duty day, junior man, min pay guarantee, typical lines, typical pay for four day trip, duty rigs, etc. I don't know anything about Pinnacle and I am curious as to what you have now. Thanks!
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