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MysteriousMrX 10-24-2017 10:53 AM

Regionals "out to get you?"
 
It seems like I hear or read of so many instances where regional FOs upgrading to CA are failed. Or fail recurrent.

Yet at the majors this doesn't appear to be a huge issue-
Of course it's challenging and intense, as it should be- but it just seems at the regional level there's a sense of "out to get you" unlike the majors.
Maybe I'm wrong (?)

rickair7777 10-24-2017 11:57 AM

There is a higher common-denominator for major airline pilots. Most major FO's have previously qualified and served as crew/turbine PIC's.

Regionals are hiring anybody these days... it's one thing to have seat-meat in the right seat, but I'd be really worried if regionals weren't filtering CA upgrades right now!

aviatormjc 10-24-2017 12:40 PM

A healthy failure rate at the regionals ensures adequate staffing for the airline.


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prex8390 10-24-2017 04:27 PM

With regionals hiring almost anyone now a days. The quality of applicants have kinda taken a dive. At my company their upgrade Fail rate hax skyrocketed, and not for stick and rudder skills, a lot has to do with just how they operate and decision making. A lot of guys are upgrading so fast without actually taking a second to check out how the guy next to him is doing things and how he came to those decisions or asking questions.

FlyyGuyy 10-24-2017 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2453737)
With regionals hiring almost anyone now a days. The quality of applicants have kinda taken a dive. At my company their upgrade Fail rate hax skyrocketed, and not for stick and rudder skills, a lot has to do with just how they operate and decision making. A lot of guys are upgrading so fast without actually taking a second to check out how the guy next to him is doing things and how he came to those decisions or asking questions.

I'm no checkairman, but I have been trying to encourage my newer FOs to get involved. Hand them the weather and ask about it, notams, give them the mx can and ask if they see anything. Involve them in decisions about weather, delays etc. I guess I am hoping to "groom" them into being good or better captains when they upgrade.

I'm pretty impressed when I see an FO do any of the above without me encouraging it. I would hope that my peers are doing the same.

Disclaimer: I am no 20 year captain and I am not perfect, but I do feel it is my job/duty to help educate those following my footsteps to the left seat, as the "old timers" at my company did for me to the best of my ability.

chrisreedrules 10-24-2017 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2453752)
I'm no checkairman, but I have been trying to encourage my newer FOs to get involved. Hand them the weather and ask about it, notams, give them the mx can and ask if they see anything. Involve them in decisions about weather, delays etc. I guess I am hoping to "groom" them into being good or better captains when they upgrade.

I'm pretty impressed when I see an FO do any of the above without me encouraging it. I would hope that my peers are doing the same.

Disclaimer: I am no 20 year captain and I am not perfect, but I do feel it is my job/duty to help educate those following my footsteps to the left seat, as the "old timers" at my company did for me to the best of my ability.

And for as many CAs who like to see FOs do this, I’ve flown with just as many who do not like this.

Gators 10-24-2017 06:28 PM

If you are a CA anywhere and do not like the FO looking into the wx, Notams, logbook, etc... you are doing it wrong

Poser765 10-24-2017 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Gators (Post 2453810)
If you are a CA anywhere and do not like the FO looking into the wx, Notams, logbook, etc... you are doing it wrong

Yeah, the only thing I can think of in the flight deck that is off limits to them is my volume control.

tom11011 10-24-2017 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2453752)
I'm no checkairman, but I have been trying to encourage my newer FOs to get involved. Hand them the weather and ask about it, notams, give them the mx can and ask if they see anything. Involve them in decisions about weather, delays etc. I guess I am hoping to "groom" them into being good or better captains when they upgrade.

Does that pay extra?

Beech Dude 10-24-2017 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Poser765 (Post 2453829)
Yeah, the only thing I can think of in the flight deck that is off limits to them is my volume control.

Amen to this one brother!:D


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