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flydiamond 06-28-2018 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by blindfayth (Post 2624074)
Got it, thanks. I think I'd rather go to Republic and get CMH instead, then. Lower cost of living, same pay, no commute. Seems like a winner for me. Appreciate it!

The great thing about this job market is we have choices! Before finalizing your decision l have one piece of advice, and that is to find out the upgrade time at Republic in CMH and compare that directly to the upgrade time at Endeavor in DTW (the latter of which is about 2 1/2 - 3 years). That way you’re comparing apples to apples. Endeavor won’t force you to upgrade and commute to NYC when you’re eligible, you can stay in DTW with what will surely be by then a great schedule.

blindfayth 06-28-2018 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2624104)
The great thing about this job market is we have choices! Before finalizing your decision l have one piece of advice, and that is to find out the upgrade time at Republic in CMH and compare that directly to the upgrade time at Endeavor in DTW (the latter of which is about 2 1/2 - 3 years). That way you’re comparing apples to apples. Endeavor won’t force you to upgrade and commute to NYC when you’re eligible, you can stay in DTW with what will surely be by then a great schedule.


It's 3 years for CMH at YX currently, and about 3 years at EDV at DTW from what I can tell.

Either way this sounds like a *really* great dilemma to have. I'll mull it over for another month or so until I get closer to a class date, but I want to have a place to live lined up and be able to move to *before* I start class regardless of where I go. I don't want to have to stress about trying to coordinate a move between class/ioe/reserve.

I really do appreciate everyone's advice. Both some like solid choices.

Baradium 06-28-2018 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by blindfayth (Post 2624115)
It's 3 years for CMH at YX currently, and about 3 years at EDV at DTW from what I can tell.

Either way this sounds like a *really* great dilemma to have. I'll mull it over for another month or so until I get closer to a class date, but I want to have a place to live lined up and be able to move to *before* I start class regardless of where I go. I don't want to have to stress about trying to coordinate a move between class/ioe/reserve.

I really do appreciate everyone's advice. Both some like solid choices.

I know the market is changing, but I think the guaranteed interview with DL is worth a lot. In these times I don't see a good enough reason not to go to one of the wholly owned regionals for either an interview or a flow. You still can apply and interview elsewhere, but having a guaranteed shot is a big plus in my book.

blindfayth 06-30-2018 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2624119)
I know the market is changing, but I think the guaranteed interview with DL is worth a lot. In these times I don't see a good enough reason not to go to one of the wholly owned regionals for either an interview or a flow. You still can apply and interview elsewhere, but having a guaranteed shot is a big plus in my book.

I wonder if that's where the 35/65 split is coming from. Is that DGI at endeavor really worth that extra bit?

I'm seeing places like Spirit and Jet Blue raise their pay to almost match the big 3. The entire market is being lifted by a rising tide, which I *think* would cause an upward movement at most places.

Irishblackbird 07-02-2018 06:28 AM

May not be a big factor, but how are the non-rev travel benefits between the two?

flydiamond 07-02-2018 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Irishblackbird (Post 2626031)
May not be a big factor, but how are the non-rev travel benefits between the two?

Endeavor had pass travel enhanced this year-

Companion in lieu of spouse or domestic partner, travel priority above retirees and any other DCI carriers/Delta Global Services for mainline flights, fee-free for everyone except domestic partner or companion (even parents are fee free, up to 3 oceanic crossings a year).

I don’t know much about Republic but the benefit there is you’ll have access to all three mainline partners travel benefits if I’m not mistaken. Sure, benefits will be watered down, but 3 times as many options to choose from.

dckpck 07-03-2018 08:53 AM

my guess is and only a guess republic will have to offer another carot in very short order( ie flow) as FO reserve coverage has fallen again drastically

Baradium 07-03-2018 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by dckpck (Post 2626953)
my guess is and only a guess republic will have to offer another carot in very short order( ie flow) as FO reserve coverage has fallen again drastically

Who are they going to offer flow to? They aren't a wholly owned.

dckpck 07-03-2018 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2627087)
Who are they going to offer flow to? They aren't a wholly owned.

from what i understand they came out of bankruptcy a couple years ago
being owned by the big three. each owning a 25% share

blindfayth 07-03-2018 03:13 PM

This is still such a hard choice. The Endeavor recruiter told me that they have class dates available as early as August, but that I'd like need to spend somewhat close to a *year* being based in NYC as an FO.

No matter how good the commuter policy is, this is a huge turn off when I can go to RPA and avoid that scenario altogether.


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