I dunno, they make a ton of money (unlike CAL) heheheh thats gonna get somebody upset

 

ooh, ooh, can I get in on this? I'm 36.

What about you?


"Can't we all just get along?"

 

Im only 2

 

FlatSpin07 is all upset because I said I spoke with a CAL, CA who said the friends & family hiring at CAL, is questionable, FlatSpin happens to be one of em, so he got upset, I mean after all he spent two years on an RJ, why shouldnt he be on the 73

I think the actual comment was that CAL hires people with 0 PIC, that got him disgruntled

 

Hey Saab, where did you get the info on the UPS hiring? Thats the first I've heard of it.

 

There website, a few buddies of mine as well, just opened the window again today, their mins are on the webiste

 

I agree. This is kinda absurd. They are really shooting themselves in the foot because when people like that upgrade in 3-5 years on the 737 they will not have been PIC in anything except smaller piston aircraft.....now a 737.....The average Guy upgrading at XJT already has enough trouble.....

Personally I think CAL and most other Px majors just dont have the Retirement/pay/work rules/etc etc etc that the cargos have.... its worth my time to wait, get the experience now, and have a better, more stable career.... UPS has been around 100 years and in my opinion will be here in another 100 years..... can you say that about (insert Px carrier here)?

I wouldn't worry too much about the new requirement.... Having worked there and seen the numbers, retirements will continue at record breaking numbers due to age 60 (or 65 if it changes). Fleet is growing yearly and with international operations, each airplane is crewed at close to 10 crews/plane. Need I remind you of the order for 26 767s, the MD-11s currently coming, 747-400s, the cancelled A380 order that likely needs replacement, etc.... Hiring will continue....may just slow down for a while....never fear....UPS will be here.

 

Absolutely, 100% correct, I mean I honestly would love to go to CAL, being from Jersey, and their cute F/A's, but thier pay has always been towards the bottom..............I dunno Some may call this bashing, I call it the facts...........

 

A-Freakin-men

 

I'm not sure I get your drift.

The Big expansion at Fedex and UPS is in the International Long haul market.
FedEx is getting MD-11's and 777's while UPS is getting 767's Md-11's and 747-400's. They are going to hire directly into the right seat of a Heavy.

Is it too far fetched to think they want to hire Pilots with International/heavy experience?, especailly when there are many Pilots with heavy Intl experience on the street or looking to leave their current job. I can't speak for UPS but at FedEx we are having trouble staffing ANC vacancies during each bid.........in other words the Seats in ANC are going pretty junior with respect to the PAY/Equipment.

I have flown with a few right seaters who came strictly from the Civilan background and prioir to coming to the MD-11, the biggest airplane they flew was a CR-j or EMB. I've flown with a few that have their hands full with the MD-11 espcially when things don't go as planned,

When you started this career, did you really expect to be flying a Heavy after 2-3 years in an RJ? Five years ago you wouldn't have been flying a Jet at the regional level, now it is common place.

Many of us spent 5 years as an FE before we could upgrade to the right seat of a Narrow body and then it was another 3-5 years before one could hold right seat of a wide body. The fact that anyone is hiring directly into Widebodies was unheard of a few short years ago. Keep your nose to the grind stone. If you have an opportunity to fly something bigger at a non sked then do it.