Oh, and SAAB, how hard do you think it will be to get into LAX as a newbie? I don't know how many planes they are going to have out there, but I have been hearing it is not many. My instructor who got on with xjt said it would be easy to get into though.

:eek: Are you serious? Was he a CFI?

500TT and 50ME???? Who cares.:confused:

Probably not, sounds like an ALL ATPS wonder child :rolleyes:

I had lunch with a check airman/IP the other day and I asked him how the lower time guys have been doing during training. The majority of them are making it through but, many of them are requiring quite a few additional sim/IOE days.

KA is correct as far as being an ATP guy. He hadn't even finished his comm single or cfi single, but had his MEI as his initial when they hired him. He will have finished both by his class date though and he is a very good pilot and a great guy.

I cant believe how everyone makes a huge deal about the low times. Take advantage of it. Go get the excellent training the airlines offer earlier. Either sit in the right seat of a 152 doing crash and go's for a year building time or start your career. What would serve you better in the long run?


During WWII there were 18 year old kids flying 2000hp single seat taildraggers and heavy four engine bombers (in combat) with 250 hours. Time in type was usually around 50. These were people who didnt have anything to do with aviation at all, zero time to combat in 250 hours. Some had never driven a car. Sure they cracked up more often, but with todays engineering, engines, computers and systems in general.......

AAF Cadet requirements:
"If you were 17 years old, had graduated from high school and could, 1) pass a 2 year college equivlence test, 2) pass a flight physical, 3) pass a board oral examination by 3 officers you were accepted in to the Aviation Cadet program subject to call up upon reaching 18 years of age."

Are you serious?? I have an overwhelming urge to just kick you in the nuts:mad:

Military training is much more rigerous than civilian, heII even getting selected is difficult let alone the training.

Obviously not a CFI yourself, you don't understand how being a CFI is much more than crash and go's. Anyone here can attest that they would be scared shltless to fly with themselves when they only have 250 hours versus nearly the self that had 1000 hours. But hey, all they did were crash and go's so what could they have possibly learned. See above regarding the kicking and your crotch and such...

Not only did you completly miss the point, you ranted and flamed me for making a decent point. I see a lot of this on this board. When you want to debate, you have to try and calm your emotions and use adult vocabulary.


Allow me to make my point more clear: it is not impossible or irresponsible to think a young person with less then 1000 hours can be safe in the cockpit of an airline aircraft.

Also, with the military training, I was refering to World War Two. I made a point that people with "1940s training" went to war in extremly complex aircraft with very very low time. The selection process was very basic. the training was comprehensive for the time, but nothing campared to todays training.

Misunderstood you? You blatently stated that you didn't see what was so bad about hiring 250 hour wonders!

... I still want to kick you in the nuts

Do you like it at Colgan Kilo? (start the countdown for SAAB to jump in)