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Old 12-28-2018 | 07:20 AM
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"During certification, the actual landing distance is demonstrated as
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...The landing may not require exceptional piloting skill or alertness." -Straight from the Embraer Understanding Vref and approach speeds manual. Don’t worry if you have a bad landing, Embraer already accounted for you being mediocre.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by glassnpowder98
"During certification, the actual landing distance is demonstrated as
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...The landing may not require exceptional piloting skill or alertness." -Straight from the Embraer Understanding Vref and approach speeds manual. Don’t worry if you have a bad landing, Embraer already accounted for you being mediocre.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 05:36 PM
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On my last trip at 500 feet my Captain kept saying after his call out "btw, no pressure or anything but I told every one in back that you would have a smooth landing". Lets just say that even know that wasn't true, it still put the thought in the back of my mind and my landings last trip were not my smoothest.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 06:14 PM
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I miss landing the Ejet. Was a lot harder to pound one on vs this shopping cart with wings called the Q400
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Old 12-28-2018 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fixnem2Flyinem
I miss landing the Ejet. Was a lot harder to pound one on vs this shopping cart with wings called the Q400
I had to do my first solid bug landing the other night, it was almost a three pointer. Then I had to do one in PUW. It was also an arrival.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
I had to do my first solid bug landing the other night, it was almost a three pointer. Then I had to do one in PUW. It was also an arrival.

Ah PUW. Not once have I been there and had an “E175” landing lol
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Old 12-29-2018 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Slow
Along the lines of what others have said...

On centerline, in the TDZ (preferably the first 2000ft, but meh) is all anyone who matters cares about. Bonus points if it's firm enough to make the spoilers deploy (important) but smooth enough to not make the B stew complain about their back problems (they'll get over it). People claim the EWT planes float more... honest to God I can't tell a difference. The 170 is more floaty than the 175 though (mostly by virtue of weight).

As you probably know by now, passengers will say "wow that was great" to some of your worst landings and shrug indifferently to your best ones. They've forgotten about it by the time you hit the highspeed, anything they say at the door is just because they couldn't think of anything else to say when they saw you.

Remember for every knot you add to vRef, you're going to have more energy in the flare. vRef is the number that Pt25 aircraft are expected to be at 50ft... if your company SOP is like mine, you're always at least 5kt above that. When people start adding 15kt to their approach speed (total of ref+20) because they're scared of a gust, and don't reduce below that when they get down low, they float like an empty oil tanker in rough seas. I'm not saying not to carry some extra energy when it's gusty, I'm saying that if you added it for the ATIS/anticipated winds and it's actually not that bad when you get below 50ft, remember to come to idle sooner than you might have otherwise. Ice speeds in a clean airplane... same sort of thing.

A safe landing is rarely a smooth landing.


People done add speed for gusts bc they’re “scared”. It’s company policy at many places. Half the headwind component plus total gust factor is added on to vref with a min of +5 and a max of +20.
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Old 12-29-2018 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
People done add speed for gusts bc they’re “scared”. It’s company policy at many places. Half the headwind component plus total gust factor is added on to vref with a min of +5 and a max of +20.


I’m not saying don’t add it. I’m saying don’t add it and then fail to compensate for it when necessary. Crossing the threshold at +20 and floating 3000ft down the runway trying to grease it is unacceptable, yet people do it all the time. Energy is energy, it’s not going to go away when you added it but there’s no gust to take it away. Either put it (the energy) in the pavement or go around.

At my shop the verbiage was removed because of exactly that issue. We now have a minimum of 5, maximum of 15 knots above Vref based on surface conditions.


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Old 12-29-2018 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mjm8710
Completely normal. Not every landing will be your best. Unlike in the GA world, landing characteristics can be greatly different based off weight/speed of the approach, and other factors. I always find the extended winglet fitted a/c tend to float more. It’s much easier to land than the 145, but I still have rough ones from time to time. Usually comes in waves...I’ll be nailing my landings for weeks and they will be smooth then I’ll have a week or two straight of rougher landings. No idea why lol

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Old 12-29-2018 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
People done add speed for gusts bc they’re “scared”. It’s company policy at many places. Half the headwind component plus total gust factor is added on to vref with a min of +5 and a max of +20.
Pretty sure he's talking about the extra speed people fly above the required additive, including on perfectly calm days.
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