Theoretically it’s in the contract however the company, probably due to staffing, hasn’t chose to use it. Wouldn’t shock me if you see this change at piedmont if training starts to catch up and both captains and FO’s are properly staffed.

That's sort of an irrelevant question for PSA. Nobody is awarded a ready reserve line, as they are other airlines. They simply convert short call pilots to ready, with the only stipulations being no more than 8 times per month, and no more than 3 days in a row.

Sure that’s annoying, but is it really a reason to go one place over another? I can just as easily watch Netflix in a crewroom as I can at home.

But can you do it in your underwear?

The PDT 5 year flow for new hires with its current pilot group size is only true if PDT is flowing 12/ month. Flowing 6/month, the last person on the seniority list has over 10 years to flow... it may be a little bit shorter, but attrition really tapers off once folks hit their 3rd year on property.

With the flow as long as it is at PDT, one must ask which company will give me more $/QOL in Philly over the next 9-10 years. Unfortunately that answer is not Piedmont.

If you have to go to a Philly regional long term go to Republic. If that is not an option PSA beats PDT in QOL long term. Short term, PDT may be slightly better since PHL is the junior base but 16hr 4 day trips followed by 2 days off for a total of 11 is rough.

Well, the company can't just go and implement ready reserve. The union would have to agree to it

All they’d have to do is “agree on a suitable lounge facility”

Im am nearing the end of my tenure here at piedmont. This year, unless schedules will improve, jan and feb, I credited about 80 hours a month. At my pay rate that is 5600 dollars and will only have 11 days off a month.

If you can live on the northeast with a 65k year a job and grind out a minimum 5 years as a captain here until you flow, then piedmont is where you want to be. Expect 50 to 60 hours block a month.

Im hoping the improvements in April do make a difference.

What improvements?

If your only geographic constraint is live in the Northeast for $65k a year you might as well just go to Endeavor and be a FO. You have to be on the 4th year CA pay scale at PDT to make more per hour than a Endeavor FOs are able to make.

You have to be a 10 year Captain at PDT to make what and Endeavor CA makes as soon as they upgrade. Put another way a Piedmont pilot would just hit the flow flow before they enjoyed a full year of pay parity with Endeavor Captain first year pay.

I wasnt being positive about only making 65k a year to fly for an aa wo. Actually it's pathetic and disgraceful.

I am at PSA and I am enjoying my time here. PHL is a small base at the moment in terms of the flying ratio to crew memeber a based there. But I have a feeling that will change as new 900s come online to replace the first batch of 200s that are schedules to get retired.

There is room for improvement, and with the leadership of the Union changed out, I have a feeling things will improve here as well.


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...Jesus is that after taxes?? I’m at psa and with 6 months as fo & 6 as Capt (3rd yr pay) I’m closer to 68k, and that’s with 12-14 off a month. What happened to piedmont’s 2-300% pay? Cause I ran into guys in the crew room with lots of disposable income and no time to spend it.

I think they’re only getting 11-12 days off anyway. So even if the 300% still exists you’d have to be willing to go down to 9 or 10 days off. I feel bad for the Piedmont guys and gals. If you want to pick up premium you cant have a life.

That’s a no. Try $65 for 3rd year CA. 75 min guarantee with small opportunity to beat min each month plus $7800ish In per diem. No Bonus for Captains that were FOs who received more than $7500 in bonuses.

It is actually rounding up sort of...

Yup.. CPA asked me if I only worked 60 months this year or something...

Most of my FOs made more money than me last year...

The golden handcuffs of the flow are a curse this last year here.

All the yes voters at PSA have been long gone bud. Its a whole new airline now bud.

This should absolutely be a consideration when choosing your airline.

They're not all gone. I flew with a couple out of the Dayton base. This is the story I got.

In any event what the other side of the coin failed to see in the matter, even though a "concessionary for them" contract was signed it was literally - sign this agreement or they will shut the doors tomorrow - and that was already decided before the town hall meeting. It's easy for someone who is not going to lose their job to say "stand strong". This was no idle threat either if that yes vote did not happen it was already decided that the airline would cease to exist by management at US Airways/American. Of course everyone will say it was just a threat and we shouldn't have caved in but there are multiple reliable sources that it would have been shut down.

As you said though, completely different airline now.

100% this... they forget the fact at first with the 175s, aa told them what the final offer was. Soooo they sent the airframes to compass. Psa shot down the contracts initially for the 900s, and on the third and final offer American said “do it or we will liquidate PSA over a 4 week period as you’re holding up the merger”... as told to me by former chief pilots who have since flowed.

But the guys at psa at the time were supposed to say no as it was an “idle threat” even though American had proved it wasn’t, and lose their jobs so everyone else could hope for a few more $$$ in their pocket. 🙄

That’s gotta make a Pilot happy when you work like a fool and someone think you took half the year off because of the pay...

Don’t forget, Envoy did lose a bunch of pilots after it was all said and done because they “stood strong”. PSA would have ceased to exsist if they hadn’t taken the deal.

Look at you guys, you’d do it again wouldn’t you?

So it's better to stab other pilots in the back than lose your job? Not seeing the argument here. Personally I'd rather start over with a new seniority number than vote for what PSA did.

spoken like a true a hole

yea go ahead and blame pilots who have mortgages and kids who need health care instead of blaming daddy for whip sawing and mainliners for selling scope

must be sad to be of such limited intelligence that you can't see the forest for the trees

undercutting is the basis of capitalism. Hi. Welcome.

what may be even sadder is thinking that envoy even had a chance of winning. if it wasn't psa it would have been tsa or whoever. what you fail to realize is the jets that they already own that went to psa would have went somewhere and not envoy see above for where the 175s went for example...

People use the same argument to justify crossing picket lines...

We're not talking about picket lines. Nice try on a red herring though.

This imaginary "brother" pilot is supposed to stand strong for him so that he can put a few extra dollars in his pocket.

When the shoe is on the other foot however and the same "brother" is staring down a possible bankruptcy and children going without health care then the supposed answer is "eff him he can start over somewhere else".

Don't be ridiculous. You only pretend to be a "brother in arms" when it benefits you.

They don’t have to come here. I’ll enjoy my 3x pay and 150k per year while it’s available [emoji18]


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Are the majority of those who voted yes gone? Sure. They left an airline that quadrupled in size, on flow dates years earlier than Eagle guys, because of a choice they made. (Sure, it's the Dougie school of negotiations to play hardball, got it.). So, it may be a largely new airline, but there are long memories on how that airline got to be. Especially when Eagle guys see airplanes they flew op by PSA, or fly on shiny new CRJ-900 Next Gens op by PSA.

Lets get back to PDT discussion, which is the point of this thread anyway.

The 900's are really nice.

Let me guess, riddle grad?

The 900s would be great if flown at mainline at group 1 pay rates. Until then your flying a sh!tbox plane for minimum wage.

Nothing against the plane, but if you chose a regional based on a plane you're a tool and almost certainly graduated from riddle.

regional flying should be limited to 50 seats but that's a different topic entirely

But they want to fly for republic mainline..

Gotta keep reminding them that even though the engines are on the wings, it’s still a regional.


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When the controllers at phl say follow the e170 or giveaway, I always say, yeah we got the regional jet in sight or the rj. Ive gotten so many guys respond back is an embrear 175 on the freq. Makes me smile for a while on my leg to sce than I realize that republic fo is making ass much money as me with 16 days off while i slog along as a year 5 captain pay making 65k this year. Than the depression fills my heart.

Maybe I’m just a work ***** for 3x. Did 800 hours in 3 months this summer. Yes, I’ve even gone as far as to say “ok, follow company” when told to follow RAH. [emoji1787]


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Lordy I would've loved to hear that. Do they think it's not an rj?

267 hours credit a month...? That's $11,214 on FO pay, $17,355 on third year CA pay A MONTH.

Also, that's twelve days of working on a scheduled day off (if the line was worth 75 hours. Eleven if it was worth anything else). I call BS. This isn't even possible with 117

It would have to be a vacation month. I did 220 and could have done more on a vacation month. Regular piedmont lines no way.

Yeah you can rake it in during vacation, but over a three month period? Idk two vacation months in a row with 550 credit I would believe, but unless you've been here forever and have that extra vacation slot...