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ICUROOK 02-09-2019 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by watch (Post 2760409)
The attitude adjustment should come from the posters here who think military pilots are lucky, or that it's unfair they get hired straight to major airlines with no regional experience. They act like military pilots haven't paid their dues, and are getting a hand-out.

My response to that attitude is, you go try it yourself and see how easy it is. 1) They signed up for it. 2) They qualified to fly 3) passed, and 4) had a successful time thereafter. If you didn't, then don't complain about the people who did. If it's such an easy route, why not do it yourself instead of complaining about it?

"I had # of failures in my class, and they were all military!" Do you think maybe there's a reason they're training at a regional airline? Why don't you include all the guys across the industry, not just your anecdotal experience from a regional. Do all the military guys at Fedex, UPS Southwest, American, Delta, and United fail their training too?

"You have an attitude problem" Why, because I'm pointing out the loser mindset that complains about how "they think we should be happy to work for 1/3 the pay" and that "it's luck of the draw!"

I commonly see a person complaining about their low pay, or that they can't get hired by a major due to bad luck, and then in another thread they brag about how they "Get paid to not fly LOL" or "I only work 10 days per month at my regional LOL #pilotLife" . It's hypocritical, and that person thinks they deserve to do the same thing at at a major airline pay scale. Good luck with that attitude!

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Paid2fly 02-09-2019 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Poser765 (Post 2760411)
this guy is a troll right? Can we all agree to that and keep talking about Mesa.





Troll/tool...

kevbo 02-09-2019 11:25 PM

Half of the current main liners wouldn't be there if we had a national seniority list. They would be doing something else if their exceptional sponsorship couldn't apply. Its largely a "golden boys" club.

brigadeaviator 02-10-2019 07:30 PM

I remember constantly flying into DFW and being on-time. However the rampers would do their best to drag their feet, wing walker would disappear, or purposely turn their backs to us until that A+15 min mark passed. GAs would always point the departure delays on the crew, yet never tell us so. It was a constant problem at that base, not sure if it ever improved?

deltajuliet 02-10-2019 07:41 PM

Nope, not really.

MidnightHauler 02-11-2019 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brigadeaviator (Post 2761479)
I remember constantly flying into DFW and being on-time. However the rampers would do their best to drag their feet, wing walker would disappear, or purposely turn their backs to us until that A+15 min mark passed. GAs would always point the departure delays on the crew, yet never tell us so. It was a constant problem at that base, not sure if it ever improved?

That seems to be the current problem with DGS at many big airports nowadays, especially in DTW and MSP. Sometimes they're standing in position as you taxi toward the gate, then as you're turning on to the gate line, suddenly they huddle up to "brief". I don't know why they don't point and say "You walk that wing and you walk the other wing". Nothing will improve until they start holding those idiots accountable for playing stupid games and not doing the job they were hired to do.

8ballfreight 02-11-2019 07:18 AM

“You go long, I’ll fake it to you.”

stabapch 02-11-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler (Post 2761724)
That seems to be the current problem with DGS at many big airports nowadays, especially in DTW and MSP. Sometimes they're standing in position as you taxi toward the gate, then as you're turning on to the gate line, suddenly they huddle up to "brief". I don't know why they don't point and say "You walk that wing and you walk the other wing". Nothing will improve until they start holding those idiots accountable for playing stupid games and not doing the job they were hired to do.

The majority of rampers at major airports are understaffed. Yes, just like in any other job, including pilots, there are lazy people out there as well. But, I sure wouldn’t generalize. Most of these guys are literally running from gate to gate with no chance to catch a breath. Sucks for us, but you can only play the cards you’re dealt.

TheWeatherman 02-11-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stabapch (Post 2761889)
The majority of rampers at major airports are understaffed. Yes, just like in any other job, including pilots, there are lazy people out there as well. But, I sure wouldn’t generalize. Most of these guys are literally running from gate to gate with no chance to catch a breath. Sucks for us, but you can only play the cards you’re dealt.

Understaffed and underpaid.

sailingfun 02-11-2019 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 2760372)
From our class of 31, we had 4 checking event failures, all of them were military guys.
They won't be at a major in anywhere near 1-2 years.

You need to define who they were. Were they Army rotor guys or AF fighter guys. I know at my airline when they hired nearly 100% military checkride failures were non existent and someone who needed a extra sim caused lots of discussion. That has changed quite a bit with the new hiring norm. Major airlines track how their new hires perform and bias hiring based on that info.


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