Yer on guard!!
03-25-2019 | 06:36 PM
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Yes...that would be true.
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after.
What I hate more than the meows and Delta response is the squelch on they freq. I just end up flipping it off.
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after.
What I hate more than the meows and Delta response is the squelch on they freq. I just end up flipping it off.
03-25-2019 | 07:18 PM
#32
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Yes...that would be true.
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after.
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after.
I leave it on in case I miss a handoff. Self preservation.
03-26-2019 | 05:55 AM
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Everything your saying is technically possible. But it’s not a priority for the FCC and it’s not likely about to be one.
Let’s say they do DF a few airplanes, how will they justify the costs of having LEOs at that many airports on standby? And even if they get a CVR, do CVRs catch everything? How do you know which pilot did it? Even then after all that, this would be a civil fine.
This is a snipe hunt and the guard police know it.
03-26-2019 | 06:08 AM
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And even if they get a CVR, do CVRs catch everything? How do you know which pilot did it?
03-26-2019 | 06:23 AM
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03-26-2019 | 06:26 AM
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Thinking that “they’ll never catch me” has lured many people into a jam. Even minor abuses (especially on a safety-related matter), telegraph a bad attitude, which forecasts bigger problems ahead. 
03-26-2019 | 07:08 AM
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You can ask the union for help saving your job once you lose your certificate - the carpet dance to beg for a carpet dance, if you will.
03-26-2019 | 02:09 PM
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I've been in the room for that, it's real. But they mostly use airstrikes. UBL had a lot of help to stay hidden. The PAK ISI was pretty familiar with the TTPs used to locate and track badguys... and they are, shall we say, sympathetic to the badguys.
FCC has mobile DF units for exactly this reason... locating unauthorized users of the RF spectrum. Otherwise it would be the wild wild west out there.
The challenge for aircraft is it would take a while to get a plane DF-ed when no other planes were within the RMS error. Once you do that, just have feds meet the plane at the gate and secure the CVR as evidence. Would also need a flight that landed within 2 hours of the offense. So some effort required, but the FCC employs people who do that for a living. You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU...
FCC has mobile DF units for exactly this reason... locating unauthorized users of the RF spectrum. Otherwise it would be the wild wild west out there.
The challenge for aircraft is it would take a while to get a plane DF-ed when no other planes were within the RMS error. Once you do that, just have feds meet the plane at the gate and secure the CVR as evidence. Would also need a flight that landed within 2 hours of the offense. So some effort required, but the FCC employs people who do that for a living. You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU...
I'm not sure the FAA would be successful in securing CVR data as evidence. The administrator is prohibited from using ANY data on the CVR for any type of civil penalty or certificate action. This isn't a union thing either, it's in the CFR's. If they tried to secure the CVR data for this reason, any lawyer worth a grain of salt could likely get this data excluded quoting FAR 121.359 (h). In fact, I'm pretty sure it was also disclosed that the FAA has never, in history, listened to a CVR recording that didn't involve a serious accident, or where the NTSB balked at investigating.
03-26-2019 | 02:28 PM
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I'm not sure the FAA would be successful in securing CVR data as evidence. The administrator is prohibited from using ANY data on the CVR for any type of civil penalty or certificate action. This isn't a union thing either, it's in the CFR's. If they tried to secure the CVR data for this reason, any lawyer worth a grain of salt could likely get this data excluded quoting FAR 121.359 (h). In fact, I'm pretty sure it was also disclosed that the FAA has never, in history, listened to a CVR recording that didn't involve a serious accident, or where the NTSB balked at investigating.
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