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Yer on guard!!
So I gotta ask. What the freakity frack is up with all the meowing and stupidity on guard? I normally don’t give a **** about what other people do, but my company manuals say I’m supposed to listen to you *******s going back and forth on guard incessantly. It’s just non stop. Some rj driver meows and Delta has to immediately step in and give the idiot the attention he’s obviously not getting elsewhere.
Alright. Rant over. Just felt the urge to **** and moan a bit and there’s no damn kids on my lawn to yell at. |
Originally Posted by Rahlifer
(Post 2787890)
So I gotta ask. What the freakity frack is up with all the meowing and stupidity on guard? I normally don’t give a **** about what other people do, but my company manuals say I’m supposed to listen to you *******s going back and forth on guard incessantly. It’s just non stop. Some rj driver meows and Delta has to immediately step in and give the idiot the attention he’s obviously not getting elsewhere.
Alright. Rant over. Just felt the urge to **** and moan a bit and there’s no damn kids on my lawn to yell at. |
Originally Posted by Meow1215
(Post 2787892)
Was it like a “Meow” or “Here kitty, kitty, kitty” followed by “Meow”? Either way, you need to let ATC know there is a cat on guard – it could just be reaching out for help.
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
(Post 2787890)
Some rj driver
I've flown with *one* guard idiot. I'd actually put money on the culprit being bored mainline guys on transcons. They get others to blame it on regional scum, and everyone wins! However, Meow1215 is extremely suspect as well. |
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
(Post 2787969)
...says an RJ driver.
I've flown with *one* guard idiot. I'd actually put money on the culprit being bored mainline guys on transcons. They get others to blame it on regional scum, and everyone wins! However, Meow1215 is extremely suspect as well. |
Why is there a stuck mic on guard out east where so frequently guard is meowed upon?
is this pilot? Atc? Faa/Fcc? Evil doers? |
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
(Post 2787969)
Meow1215 is extremely suspect as well.
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Originally Posted by captive apple
(Post 2788034)
Why is there a stuck mic on guard out east where so frequently guard is meowed upon?
is this pilot? Atc? Faa/Fcc? Evil doers? But I think it's regionals, simply because it's confined to a certain geography. |
I've flown with a CA who does that meow BS. Annoying and stupid, told him that.
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Originally Posted by Taco280AI
(Post 2788156)
I've flown with a CA who does that meow BS. Annoying and stupid, told him that.
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Running late last week (zero dark thirty) across the cargo hub country and stupid calls going on then too, no RJs around.
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How late?
In over 4 years, can’t say I’ve heard any stupidity on Guard east of the Mississippi between 2-6am. |
If you happen to sit next to somebody, left or right, who meows on 121.5 then feel free to give them a backhand to the face.
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I’ll be honest. In my years at a regional I’ve only flown with 1 person who did anything on guard. And I have only heard of 1 other person at my company. I have however sat on a mainline jumpseat and watched the CA and FO get a kick out of saying stuff on guard. I think blaming regional pilots for guard shenanigans isn’t really telling the whole truth.
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^ this. Regional guys are mostly super serious “I’m a jet pilot now” ex cfis who try and do things by the book. Mainline guys don’t give AF.
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Originally Posted by jake cutter
(Post 2789115)
^ this. Regional guys are mostly super serious “I’m a jet pilot now” ex cfis who try and do things by the book. Mainline guys don’t give AF.
Also, despite the handle - I don't use guard for meowing. I won't lie, I frequently get a chuckle when I do hear it, and then the guard police go haywire (is it really Delta though?). But I use guard for lost comms and of course inadvertently when I'm trying to use radio two's standby frequency as the active. |
Whatever part of the continent im flying in...for every 1 meow i hear, i hear 10 jet blue guys looking for a freq
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Funny, I never, and I mean never hear any of this crap on Guard overseas.
On the flip side, for those who feel compelled to be the Guard police, don’t. Please. It’s like chumming the water and just makes it worse. Let it die. If the immature idiots doing don’t get a reaction they stop. |
Used it a couple of times to help out planes that didn’t get the handoff and no reception. Friends at approach and center would tell me that people don’t realize the entire facility has to hear the bickering over the speakers. Worst was when people were looking for a missing aircraft and kept asking for people to be quiet on the frequency... still didn’t stop people from acting like morons.
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Originally Posted by brigadeaviator
(Post 2789870)
Used it a couple of times to help out planes that didn’t get the handoff and no reception. Friends at approach and center would tell me that people don’t realize the entire facility has to hear the bickering over the speakers. Worst was when people were looking for a missing aircraft and kept asking for people to be quiet on the frequency... still didn’t stop people from acting like morons.
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FCC was supposed to be tracking this down (yes they have DF equipment which could narrow it down, and then they'd have to pull CVRs from one or more suspect planes). Wish they'd get on with it, convict a couple idiots on some federal charges and presumably shred their certificates and it would all stop the next day.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2789897)
FCC was supposed to be tracking this down (yes they have DF equipment which could narrow it down, and then they'd have to pull CVRs from one or more suspect planes). Wish they'd get on with it, convict a couple idiots on some federal charges and presumably shred their certificates and it would all stop the next day.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2789897)
FCC was supposed to be tracking this down (yes they have DF equipment which could narrow it down, and then they'd have to pull CVRs from one or more suspect planes). Wish they'd get on with it, convict a couple idiots on some federal charges and presumably shred their certificates and it would all stop the next day.
Basically it’s impossible to catch the “meow” bandit(s) That being said.... if they can catch me, I will happily shred my own certificate. |
The coolest thing I heard on guard was a Cessna 182 driver who was spiraling down after complete engine loss, center- Cessna anything else we can do?" Cessna- cool as cucumber says "ahh center could you call the FBO at xxx and have them come out with a tug and meet me at mid field", talk about staying ahead of the game!
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Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2789958)
That’s like when I used to watch those movies about the CIA tracking and killing all those terrorists with crazy high-tech satellites and seal teams. Then it took like 20 years to catch Osama.
Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2789958)
Basically it’s impossible to catch the “meow” bandit(s)
That being said.... if they can catch me, I will happily shred my own certificate. The challenge for aircraft is it would take a while to get a plane DF-ed when no other planes were within the RMS error. Once you do that, just have feds meet the plane at the gate and secure the CVR as evidence. Would also need a flight that landed within 2 hours of the offense. So some effort required, but the FCC employs people who do that for a living. You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU... |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2790025)
I've been in the room for that, it's real. But they mostly use airstrikes. UBL had a lot of help to stay hidden.
FCC has mobile DF units for exactly this reason... locating unauthorized users of the RF spectrum. Otherwise it would be the wild wild west out there. The challenge for aircraft is it would take a while to get a plane DF-ed when no other planes were within the RMS error. Once you do that, just have feds meet the plane at the gate and secure the CVR as evidence. Would also need a flight that landed within 2 hours of the offense. So some effort required, but the FCC employs people who do that for a living. You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU... |
Originally Posted by Blackhawk
(Post 2790027)
Don’t tell him. I’d pay to watch him shred his certificate. And flush thousands of dollars of training down the drain.
Actually it would help move the FCC along if the media did an expose on this... it would be easy for them to get all kinds of great examples with a VHF radio anywhere on the eastern seaboard. |
Easier said .... I just don’t buy it. FAA having updated equipment, getting the union on board with taking the CVR...etc. not ever going to happen
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Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790042)
I don’t do the Meowssss....But now I will just to prove a point. A meow takes less than a second. I don’t buy it, we’ll for that long, that anyone can trace it. Good luck catching me...unless you just turn me in. Haha
Spies and other covert operators in recent times have used burst transmitters to avoid being DF-ed... that naturally drove the application of new technology to DF burst transmission. Let's just say that "Meow" is more than long enough now. Assuming FCC has, or can borrow, the good stuff. |
Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790047)
Easier said .... I just don’t buy it. FAA having updated equipment, getting the union on board with taking the CVR...etc. not ever going to happen
It would be FCC enforcement, which does this for a living. CVR can be seized as evidence by federal LE... you're smoking some really good stuff if you think the union can prevent that :rolleyes: Union rep would end up face down on the pavement in handcuffs. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2790025)
You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU...
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after. What I hate more than the meows and Delta response is the squelch on they freq. I just end up flipping it off. |
Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790050)
Yes...that would be true.
Problem is everyone would be scared to transmit. Are we going to go after the accidental communication to ops? How about the guy who’s emergency just really wasn’t emergency enough. It’s just silly to care about. It’s a slippery slope no one wants to go after.
Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790050)
What I hate more than the meows and Delta response is the squelch on they freq. I just end up flipping it off.
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Worst case you get an ACARS message. Don’t ask me how I know.
Plus...if we get rid of the MEOWS how will we ever have the excuse to why we weren’t listening. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2790037)
Actually it would help move the FCC along if the media did an expose on this.
Everything your saying is technically possible. But it’s not a priority for the FCC and it’s not likely about to be one. Let’s say they do DF a few airplanes, how will they justify the costs of having LEOs at that many airports on standby? And even if they get a CVR, do CVRs catch everything? How do you know which pilot did it? Even then after all that, this would be a civil fine. This is a snipe hunt and the guard police know it. |
Originally Posted by Meow1215
(Post 2790216)
Let’s say they do DF a few airplanes, how will they justify the costs of having LEOs at that many airports on standby?
And even if they get a CVR, do CVRs catch everything? How do you know which pilot did it? |
Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790115)
Worst case you get an ACARS message. Don’t ask me how I know.
Plus...if we get rid of the MEOWS how will we ever have the excuse to why we weren’t listening. |
Thinking that “they’ll never catch me” has lured many people into a jam. Even minor abuses (especially on a safety-related matter), telegraph a bad attitude, which forecasts bigger problems ahead. :(
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Originally Posted by MySaabStory
(Post 2790047)
Easier said .... I just don’t buy it. FAA having updated equipment, getting the union on board with taking the CVR...etc. not ever going to happen
You can ask the union for help saving your job once you lose your certificate - the carpet dance to beg for a carpet dance, if you will. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2790025)
I've been in the room for that, it's real. But they mostly use airstrikes. UBL had a lot of help to stay hidden. The PAK ISI was pretty familiar with the TTPs used to locate and track badguys... and they are, shall we say, sympathetic to the badguys.
FCC has mobile DF units for exactly this reason... locating unauthorized users of the RF spectrum. Otherwise it would be the wild wild west out there. The challenge for aircraft is it would take a while to get a plane DF-ed when no other planes were within the RMS error. Once you do that, just have feds meet the plane at the gate and secure the CVR as evidence. Would also need a flight that landed within 2 hours of the offense. So some effort required, but the FCC employs people who do that for a living. You'd only have to do it once and all the rest would STHU... I'm not sure the FAA would be successful in securing CVR data as evidence. The administrator is prohibited from using ANY data on the CVR for any type of civil penalty or certificate action. This isn't a union thing either, it's in the CFR's. If they tried to secure the CVR data for this reason, any lawyer worth a grain of salt could likely get this data excluded quoting FAR 121.359 (h). In fact, I'm pretty sure it was also disclosed that the FAA has never, in history, listened to a CVR recording that didn't involve a serious accident, or where the NTSB balked at investigating. |
Originally Posted by WestCoastFlyr
(Post 2790560)
I'm not sure the FAA would be successful in securing CVR data as evidence. The administrator is prohibited from using ANY data on the CVR for any type of civil penalty or certificate action. This isn't a union thing either, it's in the CFR's. If they tried to secure the CVR data for this reason, any lawyer worth a grain of salt could likely get this data excluded quoting FAR 121.359 (h). In fact, I'm pretty sure it was also disclosed that the FAA has never, in history, listened to a CVR recording that didn't involve a serious accident, or where the NTSB balked at investigating.
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