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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 2791047)
The bolded text baffles me.
How can you be to qualified as a pilot? What is their reasoning behind this? It makes no sense. :confused: |
Originally Posted by BrewCity
(Post 2791038)
If we’re going to make this argument we should probably throw in that first year at FedEx is $78, UPS is $46, and Hawaiian starts at $36.
Do you disagree? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2791029)
Lots of factors but among them is the ridiculous first year wages at some of the ULCCs. There was a long discussion on this subject on a Frontier thread back when their negotiations were going on. The pilot group didn't wish to "waste" any "negotiating capital" on bringing newbie's on board. So what did the first year FO wages end up?
$58 an hour for Frontier $57 for Spirit $78 for JetBlue So if you are currently making $90-100 an hour as a regional captain, WITH YOUR CHOICE OF SCHEDULES, how hard is it to take a 45% pay cut for a year and go back on reserve in some crash pad for a couple years, because your roots are too firmly planted after a decade or so to relocate? Pretty hard. Not impossible, certainly, but it's a serious emotional barrier, and the more senior (i.e., older) you are, the smaller the carrot for doing it and the greater the carrot for just staying put. So in a way it's the major airlines' pilot union negotiating tactics that are hurting these guys, or at least making the decision to move on more complicated than it would otherwise be. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 2791033)
I hope you called scheduling on the ground and were removed. No way would I fly with someone like that. Intentional disregard for regs? Screw that.
My reply to him was, "I'm doing my job and pointing it out to you so we don't get a violation. If you don't like it, I've got the FE right here and the CVR to back me up on it." He glanced back at the FE looking at him and slowed to 250 KIAS. :D Like I said, I think he did time in the slammer for tax evasion. Real POS. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 2791047)
The bolded text baffles me.
How can you be to qualified as a pilot? What is their reasoning behind this? It makes no sense. :confused: |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 2791090)
Set in your ways. Untrainable.
Experienced doesn't mean "untrainable". Yes, they may be set in their ways some, but it doesn't mean they cannot be trained to do things differently or slightly different. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 2791097)
I can see the reasoning, but I don't believe that to be true.
Experienced doesn't mean "untrainable". Yes, they may be set in their ways some, but it doesn't mean they cannot be trained to do things differently or slightly different. |
I think a lot of the posters on this thread miss the mark completely...
The airlines weren’t doing too great in the year or two leading up to September 11th, 2001. That event in many ways set in motion a downward spiral for the legacies. Then age 65 happened. And then the financial crisis / housing crisis of 2007/2008. Essentially what the industry was left with was a, “lost decade”. Pilots were essentially “stuck” where they were at. So this begs the question... Do you put your entire life on hold to wait until you make more money? Or do you go ahead and marry your wife and have kids? Buy that house you and your family wants? No career is worth putting your life on hold. So the natural byproduct is that many pilots who often suffered from nothing other than bad timing went on about their lives. And it wasn’t until a few years ago really that entry-level wages at the legacies improved. So for most pilots with mortgages, kids in college, etc it simply was not feasible to make the jump. And now that perhaps it is feasible they have less than 10 years left and don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze for the twilight of their career. There are those who have other issues, but I have ran across far more who fit the mold above than those who have personality conflict and training/qualification issues. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2791104)
But if you have 5000 apps from guys that are "set in their ways" and 5000 apps from guys who aren't, which pile would you pull from?
I don't want to fill my airline with regional FOs. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 2791108)
I think a lot of the posters on this thread miss the mark completely...
The airlines weren’t doing too great in the year or two leading up to September 11th, 2001. That event in many ways set in motion a downward spiral for the legacies. Then age 65 happened. And then the financial crisis / housing crisis of 2007/2008. Essentially what the industry was left with was a, “lost decade”. Pilots were essentially “stuck” where they were at. So this begs the question... Do you put your entire life on hold to wait until you make more money? Or do you go ahead and marry your wife and have kids? Buy that house you and your family wants? No career is worth putting your life on hold. So the natural byproduct is that many pilots who often suffered from nothing other than bad timing went on about their lives. And it wasn’t until a few years ago really that entry-level wages at the legacies improved. So for most pilots with mortgages, kids in college, etc it simply was not feasible to make the jump. And now that perhaps it is feasible they have less than 10 years left and don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze for the twilight of their career. There are those who have other issues, but I have ran across far more who fit the mold above than those who have personality conflict and training/qualification issues. Lost decade was real, and it completely sucked. Many 26 year olds today think we're making this garbage up.... |
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