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word302 03-29-2019 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792569)
I’d like a source for that number.
SkyWest is hiring 125/month?? And that’s 30% of their total pilot group per year. That sounds really hard to believe.

It's been closer to 140 for at least half a year. We've grown by about 1700 pilots in less than 5 years. I don't know what you expect for a source. My point was AA will have no issues keeping up with attrition.

PotatoChip 03-29-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by stabapch (Post 2792543)
The military is begging for pilots now. Military pilots are now the minority at majors and as retirements keep increasing they are becoming more scarce. The number of pilots they’re currently putting out will definitely decrease, especially when you’re forced to stay in longer because they can’t recruit.

United and Delta are already committed to “street to hero” programs to fill future voids. They may not be “desperate” but they definitely know they will have to do something once retirements get rolling, such as lowering standards, most likely throwing the degree requirement away.


Originally Posted by stabapch (Post 2792627)
Dreaming? This is happening now. Who do you think make up the predicted retirements? Military. When the military can’t put out as much as majors demand from expansion, plus retirement voids you get a minority very quickly.

The point is they started putting a lot of investment into these programs recently because they know they’ll have plenty of seats to fill. Requirements for ones that hold ATPs will go down.

Okay. If not dreaming, certainly overstating. According to recent demographics put out by DL and AA, and according to a SW recruitment event, military pilots account for approximately 50% of new hires. If they are a minority, it's that they are at 48%. They will never become "scarce", that's certainly dramatic. As stated in this thread, 1200-1500 retiring/separating per year. That's not scarce. They put those programs into place to fill their regional feeds. It's a recruitment tactic, and will let them indoctrinate young pilots early in all ways Delta.

PotatoChip 03-29-2019 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792553)
OO alone hires at least 1500/year. AA will start pulling more off the street in the future and have no problem covering their attrition.


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792646)
It's been closer to 140 for at least half a year. We've grown by about 1700 pilots in less than 5 years. I don't know what you expect for a source. My point was AA will have no issues keeping up with attrition.

Okay. That's still not "at least 1500/year". Not even close.

DarkSideMoon 03-29-2019 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792670)
Okay. That's still not "at least 1500/year". Not even close.

The key word there is grown.

TheWeatherman 03-29-2019 12:41 PM

That's assuming all military pilots want to fly as a civilian when they get out. I knew many that didn't because they got well paying jobs when they got out due to their command experience and security clearance.

Flyboy68 03-29-2019 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2792696)
That's assuming all military pilots want to fly as a civilian when they get out. I knew many that didn't because they got well paying jobs when they got out due to their command experience and security clearance.

I hope many of them don't. No offense to them.

Excargodog 03-29-2019 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2792696)
That's assuming all military pilots want to fly as a civilian when they get out. I knew many that didn't because they got well paying jobs when they got out due to their command experience and security clearance.

It’s a pyramidal command structure. Somebody has to stick around to be Chairman of the JCS but a fighter squadron with 24 pilots in it will only have two O-5s and a whole wing might have only three (pilot) O-6s. Except for those who become shills for K-street or sit on the board of USAA, most will make more money flying after separation/retirement than anything else.

And I’m not sure if it was by intention or ignorance (with Congress you can’t tell) but opening the RATP up to the military rotor guys introduced a HUGE new addition to the supply. Mother Rucker cranks out another 100 military rotorheads a month, most of whom will now be getting out when their ADSC is up and looking strongly at the regionals for additional FW time and then taking their shot at the majors.

https://taskandpurpose.com/commercia...icopter-pilots

word302 03-29-2019 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792670)
Okay. That's still not "at least 1500/year". Not even close.

Again man, I don't know what I have to gain by making up numbers. We outpace attrition by 30 to 80/month. We have 2 giant training centers. I'm sure we'll surpass 1500 by quite a bit this year.

PotatoChip 03-29-2019 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2792709)
Again man, I don't know what I have to gain by making up numbers. We outpace attrition by 30 to 80/month. We have 2 giant training centers. I'm sure we'll surpass 1500 by quite a bit this year.

No doubt SkyWest is a huge company. Maybe I’m wrong, just seemed really astounding to me. 125/month for a company with 4700 pilots. Legacies with 14,000 pilots on full tilt aren’t pushing those numbers.

Outpacing attrition by an average of 55/month is 660 additional pilots this year, bringing the total to 5360. Is there that much net growth at SkyWest?

I’m just having a hard time with the numbers. Then again, I don’t work there.

Excargodog 03-29-2019 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2792714)
No doubt SkyWest is a huge company. Maybe I’m wrong, just seemed really astounding to me. 125/month for a company with 4700 pilots. Legacies with 14,000 pilots on full tilt aren’t pushing those numbers.


I’m just having a hard time with the numbers. Then again, I don’t work there.

Compass has an attrition (and hiring rate) of 20 a month from a pilot group of about an eighth as big as OO. Those numbers don’t seem all that surprising really. And yeah, the turnover for the guys at the legacies is mainly death, disability, and early or age 65 retirement. Not many legacy pilots leaving to go back to work at the regionals...:D


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