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Old 03-28-2019 | 09:46 PM
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Which regional has the best "real" flow to a major whether it's a CPP or flow?

Basically, who sends the most regional pilots (CA's and FO's) to a major through their program?

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Old 03-28-2019 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
Which regional has the best "real" flow to a major whether it's a CPP or flow?

Basically, who sends the most regional pilots (CA's and FO's) to a major through their program?

Thanks in advance.
CPP isn’t a flow. Period.

Envoy.
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CPP isn’t a flow. Period.

Envoy.
Correct, only the AA cairriers have a legacy flow and no one else ever will.
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Correct, only the AA cairriers have a legacy flow and no one else ever will.
And anyone who thinks it’s a lead pipe cinch even for them is wrong. It’s like the Delta pilot pensions which evaporated in their bankruptcy. A contract really isn’t exactly....well, a contract these days. It’s more ‘what’s ours is ours, what’s yours is negotiable...and subject to mandatory mediation’.
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So, Envoy is the consensus?
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So, Envoy is the consensus?
The problem is your question is flawed. Envoy is sending the most pilots to a legacy, but that’s because they have the most pilots. With a relatively equal percentage of pilots moving, Envoy sends the most. That does not, however, mean Envoy is the fastest to a mainline. Thats a moving target and subject to many variables. And as stated, this is all a moot point once AA decides to cancel the flow...
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The problem is your question is flawed. Envoy is sending the most pilots to a legacy, but that’s because they have the most pilots. With a relatively equal percentage of pilots moving, Envoy sends the most. That does not, however, mean Envoy is the fastest to a mainline. Thats a moving target and subject to many variables. And as stated, this is all a moot point once AA decides to cancel the flow...
It shows 2500 pilots at Envoy on the APC airline profile compared to >4600 for SkyWest. Do you mean most pilots with a flow?

Regardless, they're not the fastest? They're advertising this on their profile,"At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 5.5 - 6 years."

I probably didn't word my question correctly, but you get the gist of it. Thanks.
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It shows 2550 pilots at Envoy on the APC airline profile compared to >4600 for SkyWest.

Regardless, they're not the fastest? They're advertising this on their profile,"At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 5.5 - 6 years."
Pay close attention to the word "should". Their own union argues that claim by the way.
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
It shows 2500 pilots at Envoy on the APC airline profile compared to >4600 for SkyWest.

Regardless, they're not the fastest? They're advertising this on their profile,"At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 5.5 - 6 years."

I probably didn't word my question correctly, but you get the gist of it. Thanks.

I think he meant the biggest of the AA wholly owneds.

And new hires can expect to flow any time they want. When they will actually flow - if at all - that’s likely a totally different subject.
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
It shows 2500 pilots at Envoy on the APC airline profile compared to >4600 for SkyWest.

Regardless, they're not the fastest? They're advertising this on their profile,"At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 5.5 - 6 years."

I probably didn't word my question correctly, but you get the gist of it. Thanks.
Envoy and Piedmont are both approximately 10 year flows for new hires. Piedmont stopped taking planes due to staffing and is actually shrinking right now pilot group wise so it’s flow may increase by a few years as the number of people drop below the thresholds for increased flow #s. PSA is a bit longer.

If you’re looking for speed of flow it would go:
Envoy
Piedmont
PSA

If you’re looking for long term QOL while you have flow in your back pocket:
PSA
Envoy
Piedmont

If you’re looking for company that will most likely be around until you flow:
Envoy
PSA
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