Best "real" flow to a major?
03-29-2019 | 08:23 AM
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Do they lose that many pilots yearly or are they expanding that quickly. That's a lot of pilots for a regional in one year.
03-29-2019 | 08:27 AM
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SkyWest is hiring 125/month?? And that’s 30% of their total pilot group per year. That sounds really hard to believe.
03-29-2019 | 08:40 AM
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That’s simply not true. Most of the movement I mentioned happened under the SSP which occurred after emergence from bankruptcy while the company was Endeavor. It has been almost 6 years now that “Endeavor” has been in existence as a wholly owned, over 5.5 with the Endeavor name. Yes, the people who moved to DL under that program were Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba originally, but that’s because hardly anyone was hired from 2011-2014 (and a somewhat faster trickle from 2009-2011). It makes sense that movement has slowed over the last 12 months due to the way the hiring programs were structured, the lapse in hiring 2009-2014, and Delta’s recent slow down in hiring. But the fact remains we had 800 Endeavor pilots move from Endeavor to Delta 2013-2018.
03-29-2019 | 08:46 AM
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Back to the subject at hand:
Here are some numbers from the APC profile page.
Retirements from 2019-2028:
AA - 8,302
DL - 6,483
UA - 5,163
Total - 19,948
That's just mandatory retirements. Throw in lost medicals, early retirements, and deaths.
Basically 20,000 pilots lost just at the Big 3. Throw in the competition for pilots from FDX, UPS and the LCC's, and it's gonna be interesting.
Here are some numbers from the APC profile page.
Retirements from 2019-2028:
AA - 8,302
DL - 6,483
UA - 5,163
Total - 19,948
That's just mandatory retirements. Throw in lost medicals, early retirements, and deaths.
Basically 20,000 pilots lost just at the Big 3. Throw in the competition for pilots from FDX, UPS and the LCC's, and it's gonna be interesting.
03-29-2019 | 08:51 AM
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Back to the subject at hand:
Here are some numbers from the APC profile page.
Retirements from 2019-2028:
AA - 8,302
DL - 6,483
UA - 5,163
Total - 19,948
That's just mandatory retirements. Throw in lost medicals, early retirements, and deaths.
Basically 20,000 pilots lost just at the Big 3. Throw in the competition for pilots from FDX, UPS and the LCC's, and it's gonna be interesting.
Here are some numbers from the APC profile page.
Retirements from 2019-2028:
AA - 8,302
DL - 6,483
UA - 5,163
Total - 19,948
That's just mandatory retirements. Throw in lost medicals, early retirements, and deaths.
Basically 20,000 pilots lost just at the Big 3. Throw in the competition for pilots from FDX, UPS and the LCC's, and it's gonna be interesting.
There will CLEARLY be opportunities, but 15,000 military fixed wing and quite a few RTP guys are going to be competing for those jobs as well as their ADSCs expire. Anyone who believes it won't be competitive is setting him/herself up for disappointment.
03-29-2019 | 08:54 AM
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And the rotorheads that separate don't qualify for the majors until they fly for a regional for a while right?
03-29-2019 | 09:38 AM
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1200-1500 fixed wing pilots a year leave the military usually. Actual numbers depend on pilot accessions 10-15 years ago minus training pipeline/medical attrition as well as folks who elect to stay in.
03-29-2019 | 09:56 AM
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Keep dreaming.
The latest Southwest Expo has been rumored to be 75% military. JetBlue, United, Delta all hold veteran only job fairs. Classes are still 50% military plus. Hardly a minority anywhere. A smaller portion than 15 years ago? Sure.
The “street to hero” programs not only require a degree, but they are the highest qualified applicants at 141 university programs. Not exactly the bottom of the barrel.
The latest Southwest Expo has been rumored to be 75% military. JetBlue, United, Delta all hold veteran only job fairs. Classes are still 50% military plus. Hardly a minority anywhere. A smaller portion than 15 years ago? Sure.
The “street to hero” programs not only require a degree, but they are the highest qualified applicants at 141 university programs. Not exactly the bottom of the barrel.
The point is they started putting a lot of investment into these programs recently because they know they’ll have plenty of seats to fill. Requirements for ones that hold ATPs will go down.
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