Republic attrition rates
 

I just read this article about slower growth at RAH. It seems like a good plan to slow down a bit since their growing pains seem to be pretty severe. How does everyone thing this 20% attrition rate is going to affect pilot hiring over the next year? And does anyone know how it compares to other regionals - like AWAC, SKW, PSA, Piedmont, any others anyone might have some insight into?

UPDATE 1-Republic Airways sees slower growth in 2007
Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:40 PM ET

(Adds details from call)


April 26 (Reuters) - Republic Airways Holdings Inc. <RJET.O> said higher-than-planned pilot attrition rates and mechanical challenges related to its CRJ fleet will results in a slow down in the airline holding company's growth plan for the rest of 2007.


In a conference call with analysts on Thursday, the company said it sees an additional $4 million to $5 million of pretax transition costs in its second quarter.


The company said these costs are related to additional training expense and decreased pretax profits associated with reduced revenue and non-productive aircraft costs.


Republic Airways said it now expects the third quarter to be hurt by $6 million to $7 million, and the fourth quarter by $1 million to $2 million.
The company experienced about 20 percent pilot attrition in the latest first quarter, and said if the attrition rate continues at that level, it could mean additional expenses of $4 million to $5 million, pretax, in calendar year 2008.


Shares of the company fell 8 percent to $21.69 in afternoon trade on the Nasdaq. (Reporting by Sreerupa Mitra in Bangalore)

thanks for that post..

I think it's easier to blame the pilots than accept responsibility that you bit off more than you can chew. Those CRJs were a terrible idea.

but attrition of Captains is happening everywhere. If that attrition was FO's like Mesa then I guess youd have a bigger problem on your hands


and i dont think the CRJs were a bad idea, they were probably just off in their forecasting of how quickly they thought theyd be up to speed

I could be wrong about the CRJs. But doesn't anyone else find it weird that they were the lowest bidder when Mesa/AirWis/Pinnacle currently fly that plane? Startup costs alone would eat you alive.

mesa is the only one with the capacity, and they suck

We weren't the lowest bidder.

As far as attrition goes, I'd say it's about a 70%-30% split CA's vs. FO's from what I see on the seniority list. The FO's that are leaving are going to corporate gigs or cargo (and I know of at least one that went to CAL). I think I've heard of one, maybe two that went on to other regionals. That's all a WAG FWIW.

This company planned for our "traditional" attrition rate which was somewhere in the realm of 9-10%. They also planned on a number of J4J guys accepting CA positions on the 175 considering US Airways said at the end of last year that they still had 1500 guys on the list. In January, US Air decided to say "Opps, the list is exhausted" and none of the J4J guys accepted CA positions cuz they all got called back to mainline. Our problem is a combination of **** poor management planning and factors outside the control of the company. Either way, it's gotta turn around at some point.

The CRJs were needed because X-Jet kept the 145s that CAL planned to move to RAH, which was within X-Jet's rights. If X-Jet were unable to use the planes, CHQ would be sitting pretty. But, since that did not happen, the CRJ was put into use and training for the plane and it's lack of reliability has plagued the situation. The growing pains will soon pass. Give it a few months and everything should be fine.

yes indeed. Rah is the real mccoy

In the mean time CAL continues to pay out passenger fees averaging $70,000 per market per month, as the aircraft is suppose to be able to take 50 passengers, and not 37. Not to mention the MX issues, they're up to 8 MX cancellations for the month. Don't get me started on crew shortages. CAL IS NOT HAPPY, and the storm is not passing.

Before I get flamed, I know this is not pilots fault. This is the byproduct of the management team at RAH, whom in the name of God got greedy and bit more than it could chew, and let's not forget CAL's brilliant plan for diversification.

are they using the old aca boneyarded airplanes? It makes sense that those planes would have bugs to work out in the beginning. In the first two weeks at MKE, all 3 of the Skywest "blue ridge" CRJ's broke

ahhhhhhhhhh Its been more than a few months....................., My guess is as soon as you guys get your act together CAL will have its hands full with the Q400 operation in EWR, thats going to make you guys look good :)

growing pains my friend, and CAL must not have been too happy with xjt either, otherwise they wouldn't have 86'd a ton of their flying. funny how you can feel the contempt from xjt'ers for rah:rolleyes:

The contempt should be saved for Kellner. The only thing about XJT that CAL was not happy with is thier refusal to fly for less than their existing rates. So bring in RAH, and Larry can say to both, "Hey, why don't you and him fight". Mgmt loves to pit us against each other.

HMP, I'm curious. A few weeks ago a guy called you out. You said you were hired in a certain time frame. This guy said that there only 3 females hired at that time, and NONE of them are on the 76. So what is the deal, is he full of it or are you?

Bedford said it will "moderate" its growth plan by reducing scheduled ASMs and block hours by 3%-4% between May and September. He also said the company has faced challenges integrating CRJ200s for its new service agreement with Continental Airlines into its previously all-Embraer fleet. Additionally, "there are some mechanical challenges for CRJs that had been sitting in storage for 18 months," he said of aircraft formerly operated by Independence Air. "We could have dealt with either one but when faced with both we had to moderate the growth for the balance of the year."

What's interesting about this, obviously is that 1) ExpressJet is using the 60+ jets for their own namesake airline that RAH thought they were going to get, 2) RAH couldn't afford ERJ's to add to their fleet for the CAL contract (none available at a low price. So they had to develop a completely NEW training program (CRJ). And more surprising #3) is that SKYW didn't receive any CAL Express routes when their RFP was discarded by CAL. It would have been logical for SKYW to fly some of CAL's routes since they already had the planes and training program in place.

neither of us are. he is correct in his observations, however, i am not giving up my doh, hence identity. :)

no doubt, just seems like xjt guys have disdain for rah. imho

So what you're saying is that picture really isn't you... If you are worried about your identity, then posting a picture of "yourself" doesnt make much sense to me. :confused:

I agree, but the hatred should be turned towards Larry Kellner. RAH guys are doing there job day in and day out, I have no hatred for them, but Larry on the other hand. Xjet guys have done nothing but a kick ass job for CAL, and they spit in every XJT pilots face by taking away 69 a/c. When he gets the opportunity to take away 25% of our remaining fleet, I am sure he will, probably because of a ****ing math he and Jim had years ago...............The sad thing is it effects thousands of peoples lives. RAH guys are not to blame, they are going to work everyday just like we are, the greedy son of a bitches like Larry Kellner are to blame, HE is the reason we are not flying 69 planes for CAL, not RAH.


PS. the Funny thing is they never thought we were going to keep the airframes, and the XR's too. Goes to show just how smart Larry and his management team are. I swear I would love the opportunity to fly for CAL, #1 choice for me, but to think people like LARRY are running the show over there would drive me nuts, I wonder what other CAL pilots think about him?

It's called DOH in a different position with company vs. DOH as a pilot with company. Who cares anyway who someone is? How does that affect what their thought processes are, what they write, and how you respond to their posts? Those who want to know are only looking for something to COMPARE themself to. (i.e. I'm better because I have a degree and fly an ERJ vs. Dash-8 ) Whatever!

well, you just aswered the 64k question!:rolleyes:

I agree, but the hatred should be turned towards Larry Kellner. RAH guys are doing there job day in and day out, I have no hatred for them, but Larry on the other hand. Xjet guys have done nothing but a kick ass job for CAL, and they spit in every XJT pilots face by taking away 69 a/c. When he gets the opportunity to take away 25% of our remaining fleet, I am sure he will, probably because of a ****ing math he and Jim had years ago...............The sad thing is it effects thousands of peoples lives. RAH guys are not to blame, they are going to work everyday just like we are, the greedy son of a bitches like Larry Kellner are to blame, HE is the reason we are not flying 69 planes for CAL, not RAH.


PS. the Funny thing is they never thought we were going to keep the airframes, and the XR's too. Goes to show just how smart Larry and his management team are. I swear I would love the opportunity to fly for CAL, #1 choice for me, but to think people like LARRY are running the show over there would drive me nuts, I wonder what other CAL pilots think about him?

the only thing CAL didnt like about XJT was the fact that XJT was the only regional Jet provider in the system for them. Being the only source of feed was a dangerous concept for CAL.

HMP is a fake and got called out on it HAHA

I don't know who is fake here or not....
I thought that was in fact HMP in the pic...but now it's not?
In fact...only ELLEN confirmed it was her....someone who doesn't even WRITE her own posts and claims that it doesn't matter who they are..just their thought process counts....sure:rolleyes:
It does seem that those two women on this board seem to be fake and for some odd reason won't let us know who they really are....
HMP claims to be a F/O 767...I'm sure she is...why would she lie...ELLEN is what....psychologist...or something in that dir...yet the confident level is all the way down there....
Just stating what I bring out of this thread....
I'm not trying to be a smartass here or start something, so dnt flame/bite me.....I will bite back:D

FWIW, the small amount of time I spent in IAH this month (and the large amount of it I have to do in May :mad: ) the Xjet guys have been pretty decent. The ground support we have there (which is outsourced by CAL through a company they own anyways) is a f**cking disaster which doesn't help our performance. They don't like the fact that we're there, no one wants to work our flights, and they can't even talk to our dispatch to find out where our flights are (that is all a direct quote). The CRJ's we got were broke POS's from ACA that management figured would be up to par pretty soon but that's taking longer then expected. Meanwhile, the crews are trying to drive through all this stuff, be as accomodating as possible, and make up for Dispatch/Crew Scheduling screw ups in the hopes things will get better. God I hope they do.

Our W&B program is nowhere near what XJet's is either as far as weights are concerned. It's hard to fill planes when your passengers weigh 10 more pounds and carry on's weigh an extra 8 pounds (with a full aircraft, our plane "weighs" 500 pounds more just counting pax...that's a LOT of weight to play with for a 145).

fake? nobody called me on jack! you can think what you want. the only fake is a stroke who calls herself "superpilot", as if it is so difficult to fly an rj:rolleyes: nobody called me on anything pal, but i'm calling bs on yu right now.

caveman, there are a couple of wannabes at brown who are bothered by the fact that they have to fly with me(i.e. such a knockout that they CAN'T have.....ever). To make themselves feel better, they downplay my very existence....sad. I am exactly who I say I am and that's all anyone needs to know. ;)

Alright then.
I believe you....

btw...I like the big ego...lol:D

That made little to no sense at all.:confused: Oh and superpilot is a sarcastic term used by an old professor in college!! Kinda like HotMamaPilot??

My second choice in screen names was "Inspector Hardnasty", which would you prefer?;)

Oh yeah enjoy that Baby at home they sure do grow up fast!!;)

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=11601&page=2

Sorry there sugar tits, but reading the thread, it pretty much seems like the guys called you out as a fake.

I doubt you are a "hot mama". So, I'm calling BS on you. I'll bet freightpuppy is hotter than you. At least she has a better personality.

Ok, seriously....^^
I dont think she's lying...why would a woman of her age lie about her life like this??
And if that really is her in the pic.....c'mon...she's a hotty...honestly...

I guessing you don't date much. You are right, women NEVER lie.

Did you read the thread? The guy (and freightpuppy) pretty much called her out and said that NONE of the females hired in her time frame are on the 76. So she backpedals so as not to give away her real identity. But then claims that the picture is her. Because, come on, putting your real picture up would not tip anybody off as to who you are.

Are you following me or is it too hard to keep up?

I never said women NEVER lie....
But about something like this? That would way too childish...
Too much time on her end to do that...
Maybe it's error about the whole hired era and being on the 76...mistakes happen...
Honestly...even if she is lying...ur not 100% sure....
HMP can simply solve all of this by just posting a different picture....and give a tip while she's at it....
Then again....who knows...she could let her friend take the picture...how would any of you really know?

Ya'll must have a lot of time to investigate this, euh?:D

You must have a lot of time on your hands because you are following this.

Seriously, have you read the thread, as well as any of the other posts HMP makes?

Overheard a couple of CAL guys saying they like Kellner less than they like Frank Lorenzo. I thought that was pretty interesting.

I do, I like reading how all of you fight on here...

And yes, I've read the thread and I know that HMP can be a B*.

I think she keeps her cool and flames you guys real good and ya'll can't stand that...
But hopefully within a few days...she'll be proving that it is her flying the 76 and that it is her in the pic :D

Hotmamapilot/sweet cheeks,

You don't have to PM me to tell me what you really think. It's OK, we all know are pretty much full of it.

full of it?, no. just aware that big bro is watching and he has a high, hard one for me. you, on the other hand, probably don;t get much of either end of that action:)