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Excargodog 04-25-2019 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by vdawson (Post 2808626)
I don’t think that would qualify under any part of the CFR. Not 121, not 135 and not 91 or you would already see it on a smaller scale. No “ride share” for the FAA

Didn’t say it wouldn’t Be 121, just not codeshare with any legacy. For that matter it might BE Moxy. Nothing to stop a new 121 startup from having multiple aircraft types, both above and below current major scope requirements.

captive apple 04-25-2019 09:33 AM

Inc owns a leasing company. Airlines would never need to fly them for Inc to make money.

vdawson 04-25-2019 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2808738)
Didn’t say it wouldn’t Be 121, just not codeshare with any legacy. For that matter it might BE Moxy. Nothing to stop a new 121 startup from having multiple aircraft types, both above and below current major scope requirements.

You may have a point, but I’m thinking that since 121 means scheduled airline pre-selling tickets before determining the aircraft goes against a lot of the 121 regulations in place. I’m also assuming the FAA is unreasonable and will not cave on that position. Not a far fetched assumption I’m afraid.

OpMidClimax 04-25-2019 09:58 AM

The crj550 whol fly about a year and fail when the bean counters see it's a failure and customers stop paying premium to flight in an rj longish distance...


Just order the a220 and get it over with.. enough of the 50 seaters.

ninerdriver 04-25-2019 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2808763)
The crj550 whol fly about a year and fail when the bean counters see it's a failure and customers stop paying premium to flight in an rj longish distance...

Tell that to folks who live near CVG or RDU... they pay big bucks to fly in RJs all over the country.

OpMidClimax 04-25-2019 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2808952)
Tell that to folks who live near CVG or RDU... they pay big bucks to fly in RJs all over the country.

Time will tell.. I just can't see 50 seat being profitable with pilot acquisition costs more than quadruple, 400%, 10 years ago.

Baradium 04-25-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by vdawson (Post 2808746)
You may have a point, but I’m thinking that since 121 means scheduled airline pre-selling tickets before determining the aircraft goes against a lot of the 121 regulations in place. I’m also assuming the FAA is unreasonable and will not cave on that position. Not a far fetched assumption I’m afraid.

Which regulations does it go against? Airlines tail swap periodically as it is. It would just be an equipment change as sales increased or stayed flat.

vdawson 04-25-2019 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2808964)
Which regulations does it go against? Airlines tail swap periodically as it is. It would just be an equipment change as sales increased or stayed flat.

True enough.

pangolin 04-25-2019 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2808763)
The crj550 whol fly about a year and fail when the bean counters see it's a failure and customers stop paying premium to flight in an rj longish distance...


Just order the a220 and get it over with.. enough of the 50 seaters.

The issue isn't the airframe. It's who flies it. Mainline is willing to let the airline get 100 seaters. But mainline flies them. Not regionals.

Delta seems to be leading the way with the 220 - that could have been a regional bird - but it's not.

terks43 04-25-2019 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2809021)
The issue isn't the airframe. It's who flies it. Mainline is willing to let the airline get 100 seaters. But mainline flies them. Not regionals.

Delta seems to be leading the way with the 220 - that could have been a regional bird - but it's not.

And it shouldn’t. Fun fact, Swiss Airlines has 77W’s in their fleet, until April last year it was operated by its B scale “regional” airline. Without scope the majors will absolutely have the B scales flying heavy metal.


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