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at6d 05-13-2019 08:07 AM

Don’t forget a ****** ton of people commute out of ABQ.

Poser765 05-13-2019 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2819221)
If you anticipate more than a few years at any regional then your choices are much fewer for any stability.
Any wholly owned should be a first choice, I’d do Endeavor first, Envoy second, PSA third... even PDT; then both Skywest and Republic.
The smaller places will go through attrition based shrinkage, eventual mergers-consolidations and bankruptcy buyouts.
As hiring gets harder for smaller places it’s hard to upgrade or even hold your seat when not enough are coming in behind you. The mainlines control the flying. They aren’t going to starve their WO before taking the flying back to their own regionals.

PSA has a better QOL and pay right now, but Envoy is in negotiations to fix theirs. Oh, and even Envoy DECs are not automatically getting NY currently, so that isn’t an automatic as somebody had earlier alluded to.

If you’re going to commute. The WO travel benefits are better, and if it comes down to a compass guy or a ENY-PSA guy getting on anything AA/AE the compass guy is SOL. Same with Endeavor and Delta. Little things like getting your first commute choice add up to QOL over time.

one small point. As a compass pilot, he’ll have a higher priority for the jump seat over any AA/WO pilot on a compass aircraft.

Where are junior captains going? I can’t imagine they’re getting DFW, or that ABQ-ORD is a better commute than lax.

Cujo665 05-14-2019 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Poser765 (Post 2819324)
one small point. As a compass pilot, he’ll have a higher priority for the jump seat over any AA/WO pilot on a compass aircraft.

Where are junior captains going? I can’t imagine they’re getting DFW, or that ABQ-ORD is a better commute than lax.

Own metal always holds first slot for jumpseat. Nothing new there.
How many D3’s do Compass guys get on AA/AE? WO pilots get 13 friends or other relatives (not including spouse, children & parents) they can give D3’s to. How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it... and your time at Envoy/PSA/PDT counts towards the 10 years when you transfer/flow to AA without any interview, medical or tests required. Just go to class.

They’re getting all 4 bases currently according to the Envoy threads, with very short waits for transfers it seems.

Just answering the guys question. I’m not a regional guy that needs new hires to keep coming behind him in order to upgrade. No skin in the game beyond passing on many years of experience commuting; and the advantages of being from a WO vs a contractor. I’ve been the guy to get on the 73 for the ride home while the Republic, Compass, TSA guys got left behind. Commuting is easier for a WO guy.
How do you list for AA brand flights? MyIDtravel? Envoy guys use the same listing tool as AA pilots. Use the same app for checking in, seeing standby list and available seats. You know if you’re getting on well before getting to the gate. That can be important when there are two commute choices at roughly the same time.

All regionals are not the same. They really are different. The similarities often end once you’re off the plane.

A final point is crashpads and hotels are much cheaper in Dallas and Chicago than in L.A.

Poser765 05-15-2019 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2820294)
Own metal always holds first slot for jumpseat. Nothing new there.
How many D3’s do Compass guys get on AA/AE? WO pilots get 13 friends or other relatives (not including spouse, children & parents) they can give D3’s to. How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it... and your time at Envoy/PSA/PDT counts towards the 10 years when you transfer/flow to AA without any interview, medical or tests required. Just go to class.

They’re getting all 4 bases currently according to the Envoy threads, with very short waits for transfers it seems.

Just answering the guys question. I’m not a regional guy that needs new hires to keep coming behind him in order to upgrade. No skin in the game beyond passing on many years of experience commuting; and the advantages of being from a WO vs a contractor. I’ve been the guy to get on the 73 for the ride home while the Republic, Compass, TSA guys got left behind. Commuting is easier for a WO guy.
How do you list for AA brand flights? MyIDtravel? Envoy guys use the same listing tool as AA pilots. Use the same app for checking in, seeing standby list and available seats. You know if you’re getting on well before getting to the gate. That can be important when there are two commute choices at roughly the same time.

All regionals are not the same. They really are different. The similarities often end once you’re off the plane.

A final point is crashpads and hotels are much cheaper in Dallas and Chicago than in L.A.

I miss spoke earlier...not only do the get priority on jump seats but I’m pretty sure they get priority non revving as well. On company metal. If his commute is on cp jets he’s getting on unless he is bumped by another compass rat.

I’ll grant you their non rev, in general, sucks. Not even an peep of argument. So if that’s a problem for someone, they should consider that. I don’t non rev except for my commute, and the only direct flights from home to base were cp birds. My commute was as close to perfect as one could get.

We used to use myidtravel. That changed to an internal AA web application. Can’t remember what it was called but you could list, check in and check loads/see standby list...more than the smiley face.

My ORD Crashpad was not MUCH cheaper than my LAX pad.

I don’t have any skin in the game other than helping people get as accurate a picture as possible. Compass is not the best option for everyone, and neither is Envoy.

VIRotate 05-15-2019 02:46 AM


Originally Posted by Poser765 (Post 2820402)
I miss spoke earlier...not only do the get priority on jump seats but I’m pretty sure they get priority non revving as well. On company metal. If his commute is on cp jets he’s getting on unless he is bumped by another compass rat.

I’ll grant you their non rev, in general, sucks. Not even an peep of argument. So if that’s a problem for someone, they should consider that. I don’t non rev except for my commute, and the only direct flights from home to base were cp birds. My commute was as close to perfect as one could get.

We used to use myidtravel. That changed to an internal AA web application. Can’t remember what it was called but you could list, check in and check loads/see standby list...more than the smiley face.

My ORD Crashpad was not MUCH cheaper than my LAX pad.

I don’t have any skin in the game other than helping people get as accurate a picture as possible. Compass is not the best option for everyone, and neither is Envoy.

Yes this is correct. We have priority over any JS'er and any AA/WO nonrev on Compass metal. For mainline and other AE planes, we do not.

Excargodog 05-15-2019 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2820294)
How many years at Compass before you get lifetime travel on AA/AE? WO guys with 10 years and age 55 get it...

I’m not altogether sure anyone HAS ten years at Compass. Damn few, anyway. 700ish pilot’s in the group, about 20 a month move on to their next job - do the math. The ‘loiter’ time at Compass is only about three years.

Get your type rating, then fly 75 hrs a month for 15 months, upgrade, fly another 15 months, and move on.

If you are looking for a long duration AT a regional, there are many better options than Compass for those who like REGIONAL flying. If you are looking to get time and move on, not so much.

BobbyLeeSwagger 05-15-2019 12:23 PM

Well said homies.. Yep we her' at compass eat snacks and fly out contract. Then punch out to the majors

https://i.imgflip.com/3122hz.jpg

VIRotate 05-15-2019 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2820746)
Well said homies.. Yep we her' at compass eat snacks and fly out contract. Then punch out to the majors

https://i.imgflip.com/3122hz.jpg

I’m dead! Why I love the people at CPZ 😂

SoFloFlyer 05-15-2019 03:10 PM

For what it’s worth, it seems that a lot of people from Compass move onto the big 3!

highfarfast 05-15-2019 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2820825)
For what it’s worth, it seems that a lot of people from Compass move onto the big 3!

Just a guess... I have not idea because I'm not at Compass. But it might be because NONE of their pilots are using flow as a crutch and are working to get up and out of there.

I can't say how disappointing it is, as a pilot of a WO, to see how few of my co-workers bother to update their apps.


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